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I don't doubt that it could be done, I am just wondering if it really has been done. As I mentioned in another post, the Eagles came to mind as a group that it is difficult to get permission from. Yet Tricerasoft is full of Eagles songs for downloads. Did Zoom, SBI, Sunfly et al manage to get direct permission for worldwide downloads from them or is that just under the English territories thing and not every available download has the blanket license thing?

I would hazard a guess that t hey are going to have to pursue worldwide licensing (good luck guys) for those tracks or cease and desist in offering them.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Not "impossible" at all, but for thousands of songs, extremely time-consuming..



Great Moonrider... let the cat out of the bag....

Of course when looking for contact information for licensing for verification, I prefer to use the contact(s) listed in the search as the publisher who for the most part, is the entity "in control" of the work and it's licensing....

This is why I still know that there plenty of manufacturer "oopsies" still floating around... the publishers that have confirmed that there was never any licensing for the karaoke tracks that have been sold and are still being sold.

Yes, your links are terrific- but what I said was that SOME owners are very difficult to track down. Discreet family holdings, sub-corps, private sales, etc...

BTW- I for one, thank you for those links! Greatly appreciated!

The BIG problem is negotiating fees from each and every owner for each and every single track.

The point is, though a KJ CAN possibly do it, it is time and cost intensive. It would be better to wait until the U.S. adopts blanket licensing like the UK before attempting to base a U.S. show on downloads.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

i'm not following this one at all. why would a KJ have to track down and pay fees to a publisher to use a track that the manu paid to made and distribute and the venue pays to play?

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Joe, that's a *VERY* small percentage the whole. 99.9% of the time it's a simple lookup.



Not that big . . . it's done for hundreds of films using multiple popular AND unknown songs each year. If the company doesn't have someone in-house whose job is "clearing" the music, then there are people and firms you can hire to do it for you.




A KJ has no need to do it. They're not creating audio-visual products using other peoples music. The manufacturer is the one responsible for clearing the music before it's used.

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Dave's not here.

I don't know where so much of the information posted here comes from!

Kurt actually posted publicly what the circumstances were concerning SC8125 and how it came about. The songs on the Eagles disc were origionally "legally" done on the Sound Choice Sing-along Cassettes (before the advent of CDG), these were supplied with a lyrics sheet, these were simply transfer to Disc and the lyrics added.
Most of the manus doing CDGs were sued around the same time some paid up and continued to do business, some went underground and continued in the business and some like DK simply folded up shop and ceased to do business.

BTW to make a correction to Moonrider's post "Take It Easy" was co-written by Jackson Browne and Glen Fry, not Browne and Meisner.

As long as, like myself, one is using mfrs. original discs as a basis for the show. PC karaoke hosts are PROBABLY OK, providing that they have the discs, but PROBABLY is the key, as media shifting is still a maybe.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I believe you are correct and I believe the manus have been saying that all along "as long as you are 1:1 you are OK and if you ask for and receive permission to media shift the product you are OK there as well.

But let's be clear...

The manufacturer's saying it's "okay" merely means that they will not pursue legal action against you as long as you maintain a legitimate karaoke library. Their terms are clearly defined, though they do not "legalize" the media format shift or the copy of the file that you create.

Each manufacturer and most distributors will tell you (even in SC's covenant) that they cannot authorize any action with the product that the rights to that action were not specifically granted by the rights owners.

The big, hairy, scary probably okay monster isn't so terrifying if you've maintained a legit library of tracks (paid for) and can prove it.

What scenario would involve a rights-holder and/or their agent coming to my show and seeing "Stay" performed using Top Hits Monthly, Karaoke Kurrents, Pop Hits Monthly or Super-Core then sending me a cease & desist? Are they doing this? I understand and empathize with the artists who deserve compensation. I'd be hard pressed to determine how I've taken advantage of them by displaying the lyrics to their song from a track that I purchased in good faith (The THM is August '01) so that someone can sing along. The publishers/rights-holders must not be very concerned, or else the US laws would be very specific regarding these particular details. With the new, more reliable streaming technologies coming into play (think CB, I just got that email today) and digital formats of ALL media becoming the norm as cloud-sourcing of content becomes the great big inter-web-utility of the future, these issues of licensing and reproduction and commercial use will have to be clarified. The digital age has introduced another dimension to the fundamental basis upon which we engage in trade and commerce. The legal scenario has to catch-up.

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Never the same show twice!

Please provide a single verifiable track that DK did NOT license and/or case number for their supposed lawsuit regarding karaoke from any publisher.

Me looking it up for you would take away from the pleasure you would get from finding it on your own, I have seen it, I remember it, the year I think was 1998 but that was a long time ago and i could be wrong.

But have fun with it!

P.S. they were sued by nine (9) different record labels!

Jees! Grow up all!!! This is worse than watching my 5th grader in a schoolyard name calling contest!!!!!!!

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I agree. Except I think your 5th grader wouldn't do it as long.