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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:47 pm 
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So what part of the word "might" don't you understand?

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So what part of the word "might" don't you understand?

Again, the world is not black and white. What part of that don't you understand?


Here's precisely why I said what I said, since you seem to need an explanation. Not sure why you would, though, it was pretty clear to me.

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Right just tell that nice police officer that just arrested you that you bought that stolen car from e-bay and thought it was legit and see where that gets you.


By stating this, you imply that the police will not believe you when you tell them you were duped and that they will toss you in jail without a further thought.
Not even close to likely.
As long as you cooperate in such a situation, I daresay, it's highly UNLIKELY that charges would be pressed or the inside of a jail cell seen.


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Well then Timberlea, using your logic.... shouldn't you be arrested, thrown to the ground, jumped on and be told to "stop resisting" for all the unlicensed karaoke tracks in your karaoke system? Those are, for all intents and purposes, stolen property too.

After all -- and like you pointed out: "ignorance is no excuse."


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Right just tell that nice police officer that just arrested you that you bought that stolen car from e-bay and thought it was legit and see where that gets you. That is why "Possession of Stolen Property" or an equivalent offence is on the books in the vast majority, if not all jurisdictions in North America. Now if you're lucky, they might believe you and might drop the charges but I wouldn't bet the farm on in. Remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse.


They make deals all the time with little fish to get the big fish...

Oh, by the way...maybe it's just me, but I'd think a police officer would know how to spell the world "offense."

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/offence

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Sounds to me like someone who was duped into purchasing something they thought was legal... and now simply wants to correct the error and cease infringing on SC's trademark they didn't know was occuring... but you want to continue to make it sound sinister, criminal and underhanded. How understanding of you!

No one can make any mistakes - or even correct them - while Sheriff Wall is on the case?



Actually I suggested to CrazyEd on the thread that was deleted, that he should contact SC immediately to resolve the issue.

Will SC drop the suit if he deletes everything in SC's presence, not before, & ceases doing shows with said drive after giving SC the information on who he bought it from?

Maybe CrazyEd should contact an attorney.



:? Like I have stated in other posts, in over 15 years in the business, I have only run into one host that has been approached by SC. They first tried to get him to have an audit, which didn't happen. Next they filed and try to get him to lease the GEM series, for $7500.00. He refused, the final settlement was that he merely removed SC from his hard drive. He is still working I saw him performing in public. He has 190,000 songs on the hard drive. These are the only facts I know for sure. According to him when SC found out he had no great assets for them to go after, they dropped everything. Makes you wonder? How is what he has done different from what CrazyED is going through.


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And it is favour, honour, harbour, and neighbour.

With you on that Timberlea! Demonstrable ignorance seems to be the bane of a few individuals' intelligence on this forum!



Love you, too, Murray.

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No I only try to do as lonewolf say to take sound choice away this to stop the suited for slep



UH I don't think I have ever told any one to delete SC from their system. You must have me confused with on of the other LONE something or others.

If you have been named in a Lawsuit deleting SC now would only cause you more trouble as it would be construed as destroying evidence.

If you haven't been named and want to delete it I'm sure you know where you SC songs are located just delete the folder that they are in. If you don't know how to do that you really don't have the knowledge to use a computer anyway and should just use discs.[/quote


8) Just for the record I never advised any host to delete anything if they are involved in a suit. I merely gave an example of the one case I have experienced personally. It is the only case I have run across. If it follows true to form once SC decides Ed is not worth going after, they most will in all likely hood drop the matter. Especially since both the venues that hired him have fired him. It will probably very difficult for him to find a venue in his general area. Once again I did not give legal advice, I merely related a incident, and how it was resolved according to the host in question. It was through the settlement process with SC permission he removed their product from his hard drive. Evidently they did not force him to quit since he is still doing gigs.


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And BTW it's zed not zee.

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Nobody told you that. It is my understanding that you have already been served documents naming you in a lawsuit. If so, do not delete anything or you'll bring more trouble, as that would be destroying evidence.

As others have said, consult an attorney. Check with your local barrister or lawyer association or bar society. Some may offer a free 30 minute consultation with a lawyer specializing in the type of case you have.

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If you are selling off all your stuff and leaving the business, contact soundchoice and tell them that is your intention. But do not resell your music with it, or you will also be guilty of selling pirated music and causing the same problems for your buyer that your seller gave to you.

If you plan to remain in the business and seek new gigs, aquire some legal music.

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Ed, what is your native language as it appears your understanding of English is not complete. Maybe someone here can translate or you should get a translator.

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timberlea wrote:
Right just tell that nice police officer that just arrested you that you bought that stolen car from e-bay and thought it was legit and see where that gets you. That is why "Possession of Stolen Property" or an equivalent offence is on the books in the vast majority, if not all jurisdictions in North America. Now if you're lucky, they might believe you and might drop the charges but I wouldn't bet the farm on in. Remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse.


So...... If SC names someone in one of their suits who is using a track that SC made without licensing or permission? In other words PIRATED? How's that work for ya?

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I'm guessing SC is fully aware of which tracks they produced and released without all the proper permissions and probably would not try to use them in legal action against a KJ. However, dumber things have been done, so I suppose the possibility exists.

That said, provided the evidence against a KJ is solid and questionable tracks are sited, I don't believe the "unclean hands" defense would go very far. Crime can not be justified by accusing the accuser of the same crime. Even if you could, in this case the accuser did not commit trademark infringement.

I personally beleive their trademark infringement case is weak, but I don't think that pointing the finger of hipocrisy is going to get anyone out of it.

"Hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue" -
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all I can say is that anyone who doesn't want to use their soundchoice discs anymore are welcome to send it to me.


I'll definately take them :P


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all I can say is that anyone who doesn't want to use their soundchoice discs anymore are welcome to send it to me.


I'll definately take them :P


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I wouldn't even sell them to you for what we paid for them. Then I might get accused of never having had them in the first place.

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all I can say is that anyone who doesn't want to use their soundchoice discs anymore are welcome to send it to me.


I'll definately take them :P


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I wouldn't even sell them to you for what we paid for them. Then I might get accused of never having had them in the first place.

That, and you might later be accused of knowingly exposing someone else to the risk!
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That, and you might later be accused of knowingly exposing someone else to the risk!
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Sorta like cooties?


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That, and you might later be accused of knowingly exposing someone else to the risk!
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Sorta like cooties?

Or worse!!!


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Sounds to me like someone who was duped into purchasing something they thought was legal... and now simply wants to correct the error and cease infringing on SC's trademark they didn't know was occuring... but you want to continue to make it sound sinister, criminal and underhanded. How understanding of you!

No one can make any mistakes - or even correct them - while Sheriff Wall is on the case?



Actually I suggested to CrazyEd on the thread that was deleted, that he should contact SC immediately to resolve the issue.

Will SC drop the suit if he deletes everything in SC's presence, not before, & ceases doing shows with said drive after giving SC the information on who he bought it from?

Maybe CrazyEd should contact an attorney.



:? Like I have stated in other posts, in over 15 years in the business, I have only run into one host that has been approached by SC. They first tried to get him to have an audit, which didn't happen. Next they filed and try to get him to lease the GEM series, for $7500.00. He refused, the final settlement was that he merely removed SC from his hard drive. He is still working I saw him performing in public. He has 190,000 songs on the hard drive. These are the only facts I know for sure. According to him when SC found out he had no great assets for them to go after, they dropped everything. Makes you wonder? How is what he has done different from what CrazyED is going through.


I might add that, from those who I KNOW, any KJ offering SC a day in court seems to be dropped as well....

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