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Agreement aside, the person, and you, have civil and criminal liability as a result. Since it is a burn, it is arguably their right to do so for purposes of singing it, since it might be construed as fair use. Transfer to another, no matter the remuneration or lack thereof, is not fair use.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

This has nothing to do with "use" whether "fair use" or otherwise.

The singer has to agree or the disc never gets played - period. There is no "civil or criminal liability" in any of this - ever.

They are welcome to complain to management all they like about this rule, or even call the cops, it won't get them (or you) anywhere.

Then you need to go way back in the forums and look for all the information that I've posted along with the "proof" to back it up (that I've paid for) for the benefit of the members here. And "proof" is what seems to be the focal point in these lawsuits anyway - or should I say the "lack of proof."

Worse are some cheerleaders here who stalk facebook pages and - when presented with facts - suddenly challenge the source just as they did in Rodney's case where it was simply offered that the person posting could be either lying or just someone else.



You've been here 3 weeks.... go back and read some history.

Rude. Just plain rude.

Agreed.

I noted I have only been here 3 weeks. In that 3 weeks you have simply repeated the same thing over and over. I also gave respect to your tenure.

My point is this - in the 3 weeks that I have been here, the mindless back and forth ranting between the "I know I am right so stick it!" folks is mind-numbing. As I noted in my "hostility" post in another thread, it is more than enough to turn off new folks who find these forums.

It really doesn't matter how much value you or anyone else may have provided in the past. What you and others are doing now is simply going back and forth with "I am right, you are wrong". All parties are simply jockeying for the "I got the last word in!" trophy.

Even your reply to me was a defense made up of "what I used to do" vs "what I do now".

@leopard and Second City - If the "rude" remarks were toward me, I apologize. I was not intending to be rude. I am just perturbed about the mindless bickering. Some folks here seem to go out of their way to clog the forums with absolutely nothing of any relevant value at all. It is a wonder to me that people have lasted 6 months much less 6 years on these forums.

-Chris

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Insightful

The original owner of the burn does not have the legal right to transfer ownership of the content on the disc. That fact would void any agreement in which the original owner must surrender the disc to a third party.

It's better to agree to destroy the disc and then return it.

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KNOW THYSELF

Eh, no.

I appreciated your post very much

My post was aimed at Mr. Staley. I felt it was a rude response to Chris's post and didn't appreciate him trying to make someone feel unwelcome because they are a newcomer.

I am the one simply defending myself as well as Rodney. Not trying to make anyone feel unwelcome here. You have to admit that I've been no more abrasive than any of you on these forums.

I notice you characterize me as rude but make no mention when Athena accuses Rodney of lying and then questioning his identity after stalking his facebook page. That type of unwelcome behavior must be perfectly acceptable with you when all he was doing was sharing his story is rthat right?

If chrisavis would read more history he would find out that while I am very vocal, I also do contribute much more than the recent squabbling he has been exposed to on a limited basis.

Do you judge a book by the preface?

but once we play it doesn't fair use go out the window?
they can copy it for the purpose of singing it, but we can not play it for them to sing as for us it is for profit, or is there another part that makes it ok?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Cue, I agree, as far as individual hosts are concerned. However, I would bet dollars to donuts that we could see a HUGE class action suit against SC on a contingency basis, probably within a year. Of course, that's just my opinion...

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Chris, with all due respect backatya, the repetition is due to having to reply to the repetitive posts on the "other side" of this debate. In other words, Chip is no more repetitive than anyone else here, including myself.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

No one is mandated to reply.

-Chris

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That is an easy position to take when you aren't the one being attacked.

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Birdofsong

Fair Use--PERSONAL USE ONLY.

COMMERCIAL USE NO.

PERIOD.

That's all there is to it.

Regardless if it's a customer burn or other, as soon as it's played in a commercial setting(bar, etc) it no longer is allowed under fair use.

Simple.

End of discussion.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

It's a bit of a conundrum, but I think it works out this way. Since at least a major part of the entertainment value of karaoke is the entertainment of the singer themselves, I would argue it's fair use. And since the songwriter is (theoretically) being compensated by ASCAP/BMI/SESAC, there should be no deficit. The manufacturer was paid by the singer, and the songwriter by the venue.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Also, no one is mandated to repetitively post what others consider misinformation. A two way street at best...

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I disagree... I am the customer, and I am using that disc for my personal use. I am not making any commercial gain from it's use when I ask the KJ to play it. If you (the KJ) choose not to play my disc, than so be it.

that is exactly what i am getting at Cue.
if i play your disc, it would, in my opinion, be fair use as you are not profiting form it. however, as I am profiting from playing your disc it becomes commercial use on my end and SC can and will sue me for it. so for you to ask me to play your disc is asking me to break the law and get myself sued.
i do not, for the record, agree with this way of things. but i do see so many singers coming in with torrent rips that it is a bigger problem than the hosts buying loaded drives. for every one host with stolen songs there are hundreds of singers with stolen downloaded songs. so i do see the other side of things as well.

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