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I don't even think that is an issue anymore, prices do fall. If someone can get the GEM for less than what we paid, yeah it sucks to be us, but i'd rather play on an even keel with at least the SC tracks than compete against one that has EVERy SC track available.

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Ok, but as soon as that person shows discs behind their tracks, suit dropped - period - yes i've heard they are going to start charging double (or more) to those who didn't volunteer, but until then, no harm no foul! If that changes, i'm sure we'll hear about it here. Otherwise the way most 'anti' SC policy think, there is no way to determine whether a kj has or doesn't have discs - which I am betting the majority do not. And once again, THAT is their primary concern in this whole thing!

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How about I take a photo of every SC disc I have and generate a track list for everyone of those songs and send it to SC. You want me to put a special mark, tag or number on my disks no problem. SC would then know exactly what I have and what I don't. If I get caught playing something I've not reported then my goose is cooked.

This method is good enough for the 2% increase in a library for certified hosts why isn't it good enough for permission to play their tracks in media shifted format? How much would that really cost SC if the KJ did all the work.

I could care less about being listed on their site, their banner or their CNS. I'd just like to have permission in writing from them to media shift their tracks I have on SC original media for use in a show

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

You open YOUR eyes "bro". With a very small handful of exceptions, those that settle are pirates. Those with the actual discs are dismissed.

I think there are more than 30,000. If ya do the math that's only 600 KJ's per state. I'm willing to bet that there are alot more than that in Cali, Fla, and TX. I don't know any state that doesn't have Karaoke but then again you might ask Mcky57 seems like he gets to a lot of states and sings Karaoke.

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Take that math one step further.
With their current method of certification, it has taken 3 years to certify less than 300 KJs.
At that rate all 30,000+ KJs will be certified by the year 2312.

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See?? This proves my point!! SC is involved in a fruitless effort. EVERY KJ alive today will be LONG dead by 2312!!! It is illogical to continue this mindless mission of theirs.

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We'll probably all be dead by then. In fact, with the world situation I don't see us lasting another 50. Just my opinion though!

Hopefully, by 2312 we will be doing Karaoke on the Holodeck of a star ship going Warp 7. \\//_

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Sue first, ask questions later- and you claim no harm no foul? I don't normally do the negative personalization/flame bit, but that strikes me as the same lack of ethics that SC displays. If I have misunderstood you, then I offer apologies in advance. If I haven't, then I stand by my statement.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

1) While that may be the case, it is not an excuse to persecute PAYING CUSTOMERS.

2) Please find and re-read Kurt's posts. That has NEVER been the primary concern- per KURT. The PRIMARY concern- again, PER KURT, is to recoup losses. In other words, to gain another income.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Right - recoup losses from those that stole from them ie pirates.

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If that is the case, then why are they charging paying customers a G...D....thing?

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Birdofsong

Straight from the Pre-Suit Audit -

"The charge for this audit helps offset the significant labor and management expense to provide this service."

Clear, concise, and leaves very little room for debate.

-Chris

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But also shouldn't be my problem. I didn't ask them to impose an audit. It was their decision. If they are going to change their policy to make their job more labor intensive, they should be willing to bear the cost of it. It's not a "service" to ME.

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Birdofsong

I don't like the word "service" either btw. I think it is more of a program.

Absorbing the cost is something I think they have done quite a bit of already. Cost absorption ALWAYS results in the cost being passed along in some other way. Maybe another dollar or two per disc. Which over time amounts to a lot more than the cost of the audit. You will pay for it some way.

I know the return argument will be "They don't make discs any more" and "We don't use/buy their product anymore". They have indicated they will be producing again though and while the rumor is that it will only be for certified hosts, those that are eligible and do buy would have the costs passed on to them.

Someone pays for it.

-Chris

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I don't think Sound Choice asked people to make copies of their product either.

This argument is NEVER going to end, unless SC finally goes out of business.

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they cant take it as just "a cost of doing business"?

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Would you be willing to take the hit?

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