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We all heard it. ‘Use common sense’. Just a basic ability to discern what is the right (or stupid?) decision. Somewhere along the line people stop practicing it.

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As the price of peanuts goes up, they slip in something called, "Tree Nuts".

Not sure where or what that is..

It's like the warnings of do not use your cell phone while fueling your car. Test after test has proven that a gas pump cannot explode or catch on fire due to using a cell phone. However due to things like youtube and typical internet rumours, the gasoline companies found it was cheaper and easier to have warning labels on the pumps rather than trying to tell people it is nothing but a hoax as people won't believe the "big evil oil companies". People would rather believe the hokum rather than the truth.

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Well sure, I will concede that maybe the injuries suffered were horrible, but not unreasonable, nor were they the fault of McDonald's.
I guess my point would be further explained by a quote, often misquoted "Greed" (not money) "is the the root of all evil..." - I was offered in on a class action lawsuit because I suffered an acute attack of pancreatitis before being pulled off of byetta & given more insulin. Was it excruciatingly painful? yes; was it a direct result of taking the medicine? Yes. BUT - was it a known, possible side effect, in the printed materials, told verbally to patients from: doctors, pharmacists AND television commercials... YES. So, was I a greedy bastage, who decided to cash in on some pain suffered from a product that was so clear in their warnings? NO.
Life is rough & NOT a game of Monopoly. Shouldn't we all sue American car manufacturers, for damaging our economy (90% of all parts replaced in mine all state that they are made in another country) If it's true that somehow a KJ could be held accountable for the corrupt practices of a label, even AFTER they've been sued for reparations of damages, for sale of same... Then who should we sue? The .com resellers that sold them to us? Fred Meyers, Wal Mart or K Mart for having contorted with labels involved in lawsuits vs. the industry? How should we be repaired for 10's of thousands of $ lost in being conned into buying from greedy corrupt companies (most, if not ALL of them, according to what can be looked up)?
Sorry to drag us back on topic...

And what was that????????????????????????

I agree, on MANY different levels. When I started peddling my show a decade & a half ago, venues often offered the following logic:
"We could hire a DJ, who plays songs already tried & true, or we could hire a live band, who are well practiced & therefore better than if we hire you, where we STILL have to pay ASCAP/BMI for performances at varying levels, from - how do we get this singer a record deal, to people covering their ears & running outta my bar..."
They just didn't get it, so often times back then I'd offer 'break-even prices,' until they got that the fun inter-activeness, of singing your favorites live, was a draw & not a deterrent. Especially when considered that a good show is exactly that: a 'show,' with 'showmanship.' Those who argue that our use of our library is 'commercial,' because we make $ from it are pretty much FUAFOS, since my argument that I don't even charge enough to haul/setup/tear-down my equipment (in fact you could spend more $$ renting equipment sub-par to mine) - besides if, in fact our income is supposedly generated from our library, then logic would dictate that our income would be commensurate to the size of said library. Given that I started after buying nearly 200 discs, given that my library is nearly 10 x that in original discs alone (not counting invoiced digital downloads), it would be logical to assume that I could charge $1500 a night... (I could only dream...). Fact of the matter is the lawsuits have done irreparable damage to the marketplace, now no one wants the hassle & nobody even advertises anymore... Suddenly, not only are we in the dark-ages with regards to media/technology, but also are we made to feel as though we're practicing a 'dark-art...' :/

BigJer - do what you feel you must, IN MY OPINION, & in my practice I will NEVER use an automated checkout line for groceries, thereby telling the store's corporate execs that it's okay to have up to twice the sales by removing much needed jobs - likewise I am not going to tell every label: it's okay to get greedy & charge over & over again, for a convenience offered to DJ's & KJ's alike through the laws of the land (DMA '98 & Fair use), but since their logo is "their ball... & they're going home," (in other words they feel they didn't make enough $ off of your past patronage, so now they'll let you use what you bought from them, in a way that's convenient to you & I, for an exorbitant reciprocating income...).

In 18 years, I suffered a break-in/theft of 500 CDG's (2001) & right before I decided to go 100% digital (2) 360 disc 'books' were lifted while I was evacuating my bladder. Both were devastating, but I picked up & moved on & rebuilt, once almost from scratch. I have thoughts of buying a gun-safe to hold the music of those who are too paranoid to trust & allow honest owners the convenience offered by more reasonable companies, but in the meantime, I look at it like just another theft, & I will rebuild - & have a better show for it!

Sqwigee, I have a very good friend that had 3 rigs all with it's own set of cdg's. He hired a couple (not married at the time) to run one of the rigs. Allegedly they decided to go to the beach after one of their shows and mysteriously their van burned to the ground with all the equipment and cdg's in it.

Two weeks later they were in business doing shows on their own My friend never received a penny for any of his loses. This was 16 years ago and he still has 2 rigs and is still ODB.

The worst that has ever happened to me was the theft of 1 song book in late 2010. Nothing stolen, nothing broken...... life is good here in sleepy Sarasota, Florida.

"Common sense" would be to serve a hot beverage at drinkable temperatures, not 3rd degree burn temperatures. There was no, and still isn't any reason for anyone to serve 180 degree coffee.

Any time you're served fresh brewed coffee, in order for the flavor to be extracted properly... You ARE being served @ that temperature. There is cold brewing, but no one in our nonsensical world of hustle & bustle wants to wait for our hot coffee to be heated/cooled, before being served... Sucks, when science sense isn't common sense (lol). Also, primarily that is a temperature, that only for a prolonged period of exposure might cause 3rd degree burns... So if you pour it on your crotch & sit there in it... Prolonged exposure, but you're not drinking something as hot as a soldering iron, which would instantly provide you with a 3rd degree burn, neither are you going to take a big ol' mouthful of 190° coffee & hold it, burning in your mouth, until your flesh starts to die... Common sense dictates you'd spit it out.

Brewing and serving temps are two completely different things. There is no extraction taking place after the coffee has been brewed and being held for sale.



Evidently you didn't read the case. Hardly a "prolonged period".

As I said before. There is no reason for any beverage to be served at 180 degrees.

The average reaction time for a human being, is 2-4 seconds... When people order coffee, they don't WANT it warm, not aficionados anyway. Until we can perfect the Star Trek food synthesizer technology, it is best to hold it @ a hot temperature, as once served it will only cool off. Until then, I find your argument ludicrous... That makes me want to listen to Ludacris - dang karaoke disease... Lol

Interesting similarity ... Most customers WANT a coffee served @ a temp. that will cool to their varying desired temp., but will sue because it's served hot enough to satisfy the conditions... & 2 karaoke labels/trolls (one, now maybe both have no interest in manufacturing, but own the TM, purely for $ making settlements) want customers, but rather than serve their customers (past/future) they either force patronage through settlements, or threaten lawsuits, if you don't join their "elite-club" (a high priced club that allows you to use your purchased product, the way you want to) - me I MAY bring back OMD w/ digital split media, but now I'm gonna TM & design a show-shirt, which I will sell... first person I see using my shirt as a dew rag (very similar to media shifting) I'mma make me sum bux, on settlements ......

Amazing how the debate on coffee fiasco dragged this long. Regardless, 100, 180 or 280 degree temp cup of coffee, common sense still applies. Every decision has consequences. No one in their right mind would even consider putting a warm, let alone hot cup of coffee between their legs & not expect the inevitable.

But I’m not going to get into another pi**ing match with you like before, bazza. Not again & not gonna go there. Coming back to the forum after 5 mos. absence (due to my wife’s battle with cancer) I realize life is too short & too precious. The chaplain at the military hospital where my wife received her chemo treatment addressed the topic during our guidance & counseling session. “Maintain a quality of life that is productive, fulfilling & rewarding. Life is but a vapor, an early morning fog. Here one moment & gone the next. So live each moment of it with substance”.

There’s no such thing as winning an argument. Peace, bro! Words of wisdom.

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interesting, diud a bit of searching and found this
from the National Coffe Association
"Your brewer should maintain a water temperature between 195 - 205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction"

From Blackbear Coffee
"The brewing temperature of the water used is very important. It should be between 195 F (91 C) and 205 F (96 C). The closer to 205 F (96 C) the better. Boiling water (212 F - 100 C) should never be used, as it will burn the coffee. Water that is less than 195 F (91 C) will not extract properly. "

Sweetmarias Coffee
"The ideal water temperature is 195-205 f, since water is a better solvent at near-boiling temperature."

PBS QUEST
"Water temperature is another way to control the flavor of coffee. Water warmed to 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit is best "

my coffee maker doesn't even go below 187

apparently anyone that knows anything about coffee knows that 180 was too low for McDonalds to be brewing coffee and she should have sued them for giving her crappy coffee.

they did nothing wrong, she was a moron who did a stupid thing putting hot coffee in her lap.

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Evidently you cannot read as this isn't being disputed. You want very hot water to MAKE coffee (ie: extraction). Brewing temperatures, and the temp as its being handed to you at a drive through window are two very different things. It isn't about warning labels, its about the completely unnecessary scalding temperature. Common sense indeed.

I find it very interesting to see everyone side with big business instead of the "little guy". Very different from the usual whining around here.

What are you talking about, when you say "exorbitant reciprocating income"?

Certification costs $150 per system. Not $150 per month or $150 per year. It's $150, period.

That is not exorbitant. It's not "reciprocating," whatever that means. And, since the program costs us more to administer than we get back in revenue from it, it's not "income" in any real sense.

This post was quoted by another poster, and I wasn't sure that I had answered it.

The certification is open to anyone other than current defendants, who may have other options available. You are not persona non grata, regardless of any comments you may have made here.

oh come on....
anybody that has ever had a single serve cup of coffee (Keurig style machines) those don't even get below 185 (my Cuisenart has the minimum at 187) which is the proper temperature for brewing and serving.
how long do you let your coffee sit in the pot before pouring yourself a cup waiting for it to get below this "completely unnecessary scalding temperature"? how about the coffee you get at 7eleven or Circle K or QT (not sure if some of those are where you live)? coffee has been served that way for as long as i can remember and long before. why should we suddenly be forced to change that for one idiot who couldn't be bothered to put the cup down in the cup holder before driving off?
it is not standing up for big business, it is being fed up with the idiot mentality of having to put "not for internal use" on a curling iron because....some idiot thought "this will feel great in my a$$"
"do not use while sleeping" on a Vidal Sassoon hair dryer ( )
"Warning: May cause drowsiness" on NYTOL sleep aid ( )
"Do Not Eat" on Ipod Shuffle ( )
"Never use a lit match or open flame to check fuel level." on any ATV or Jetski ( )
etc. etc. etc.

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