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There are at least 60 bars in the greater Seattle area that have nothing worry about based upon what I know about the folks in the PEP directory and the shows they run.

Instead of sitting back preaching gloom and doom and practically hoping for the demise of the industry, one could, for a relatively small investment, protect not just yourself and your venue, but also add some herd immunity to karaoke overall.

Oops....did I just think outside of the box?

Gee whiz!!!! I thought it was very funny.

I knew it would be far too complex for you to understand without explanation but everyone else got it.
All deflection. I asked you to tell me how they can stop me and you simply barfed up drivel. How do you know I'm not using it now that both districts 7 and 9 have declared their lawsuits are not infringement?

And to think you spent so much money on contracts out of fear of being sued for trademark infringement for your precious "covenant not to sue" ..... when the courts have determined that it hasn't been infringement all along and you're still locked into (and controlled by) the contracts you paid to sign.... Feel snookered yet?

And now you're just guessing and making up lies to cover your own flailing about because you don't know me at all. I've never signed - and would never sign - any contract with a (former) vendor with such overreaching crap in it. I'm not that stupid.... errr, I mean; "easily fooled."

The ONLY thing all your contracts with pep does is prevent you from being sued for trademark infringement (which according to the courts, was NEVER infringement to start with) and in the meantime, they get to tell you what bitrate to use, can "inspect" your equipment, accounting books and decide if your "service" is up to their expectations whenever they want, you must report to them if your library changes by 2% and they can cancel your lease(s) if you talk bad about them...

So yeah, you are "controlled" and you have exactly nothing in exchange for this control but the stubs from the checks of yours they've cashed.
How about now? Feel stupid now? Toilet paper has more use than your precious "covenant" because at least it's softer and flushable.

I highlighted your disclaimer in the above quote in case Harrington were to miss it and want to yank a license or two... So, you can say what you want about pep... as long as you have an implied disclaimer like this right? So who is under their control? That's right, you are.

I can say "Pep sucks" and really mean it AND CAN play sc material all I want... You can't. So it's looking to me like Harrington's buttprint is all over your forehead.
Fixed that for you.

It doesn't pain me a bit because you keep repeating that I "can't" when you know full well that I choose not to. And I doubt your "efficiency" is all that hot. How many laptops of yours have been stolen so far? Two? Maybe more? I've never had a piece of equipment stolen from a venue.... but I try not to work in seedy places where that would happen anyway.
You shouldn't fee sorry for me, I'm not controlled by or locked into any expensive contracts for the Brooklyn Bridge.... I'm the one feeling sorry for you that you've been so hoodwinked and feel so embarrassed about it that you have to defend your decision just to feel better about it...
So NOW you admit that I've always been able to use the material? Took you long enough and now you're starting to "think outside of pep's box."

I haven't lost my investment at all. I still own them and I can use them - you said so yourself. I would have lost the investment if I had sold them to you at your magnanimous offer of $2 each and $10 for the new Eagles discs...

I guess I was pretty smart to hang on to them all this time... I have them and I can use them... and it looks like I can use them on a computer too... so I really haven't lost anything have I?

Oh, I'm just giddy with anticipation... said no one ever.

I really don't care, but I find it necessary to correct your lies and bull**** just like I do with your pals...

I do care about the unknowing venues that are being threatened by your buddies -- like the ones in Garland, TX because they don't know they are being trolled by predators with no decent source of income.

If a host has created and displayed posters that say that they will not play a certain manufacturer's product under any circumstances, how can they suddenly change their mind and reverse course?

It would seem one has painted themselves into a corner on that one.

Nope, can't play them. This is a direct result of one's own actions.

To do so would be a blatant compromise of that host's integrity.

Don't undermine the foundation upon which you stand.

Gee whiz!!!! I thought it was very funny.

I knew it would be far too complex for you to understand without explanation but everyone else got it.

In that case, it seems it was a very good thing you had Chip here to explain it for you.

I highlighted your disclaimer in the above quote in case Harrington were to miss it and want to yank a license or two... So, you can say what you want about pep... as long as you have an implied disclaimer like this right? So who is under their control? That's right, you are.

I can say "Pep sucks" and really mean it AND CAN play sc material all I want... You can't.

8) No host that wants has to retreat from the position of not playing SC Jim, as far as CB is concerned there are at least 2700 of them I can play since they are protected under the SCDG CAVS trademark, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. If pride means not having to bow to you and Kurt, then pride is a good thing to have.

The clause you're speaking of is a standard morals clause. If, for example, one of our licensees sold cocaine at his karaoke show, we could cancel the license, because we don't want to be associated with that. Criticizing us does not "bring us into disrepute." It's one person's opinion. If you engage in acts that we don't want to be associated with, however, yes, we can cancel your license.

Chris can do both of those things. If he really means it, I hope he'll share that with me, but he's not in danger of losing his license in any event.

On the other hand, you really CAN'T play SC material all you want. I mean, you're welcome to play any discs you own, all you want. But you can't play those discs, because doing so would be an admission that you really can't do your show without our material. You've staked out a position (remember that sign?), and you have too much pride to retreat from it.

If a host has created and displayed posters that say that they will not play a certain manufacturer's product under any circumstances, how can they suddenly change their mind and reverse course?

It would seem one has painted themselves into a corner on that one.

Nope, can't play them. This is a direct result of one's own actions.

To do so would be a blatant compromise of that host's integrity.

Don't undermine the foundation upon which you stand.

First you will need to read the sign again. It clearly says that "we will not risk being sued just for a logo appearing on a monitor" See: 7th and 9th district decisions Because it looks like the logo doesn't matter anymore.


Wrong. I can play them. Both venues and customers have always been aware the "bad guys" here are the owners of the logo. Keeping my library on ice has preserved my ability to play them..... now since the decisions, in any format...

It might not be an issue in the 7th & 9th Districts, but there are 9 others where the jury is not out so to speak.

That being said, If you've stuck to your guns for the last 6+, don't see why you need to play the CDs now, in any form, unless you want them to try to find a way to sue you again. Or at least give them the bragging rights that you are using SC again.

Mr. Staley, you do realize that Michigan is in the Sixth Circuit, right? And that courts in the Sixth Circuit have upheld our claims, along with courts in the Second, Fourth, Fifth, Eighth, and Eleventh Circuits?

As usual, you miss the point. I'm not criticizing Mr. Staley for having pride. I'm merely pointing out that playing SC now would require him to forfeit it. He has spent the last 7 years arguing that no one needs SC to run a show, so if he plays it now, he'll be eating his words.

I will admit that I've never asked the question, but I would be very surprised if any of our licensees view the relationship as "having to bow to me and Kurt." That's something that certain people with ulterior motives--not licensees--made up.

Your boast, you prove it.

Nope, can't play them. ...To do so would be a blatant compromise of that host's integrity.

Don't undermine the foundation upon which you stand.

It might not be an issue in the 7th & 9th Districts, but there are 9 others where the jury is not out so to speak.

That being said, If you've stuck to your guns for the last 6+, don't see why you need to play the CDs now, in any form...