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For the sake of argument, let's say Sound Choice doesn't have legal rights to every single track they've produced.

Feel free to call them nasty names, but does it REALLY seem likely to ANYONE here that Sound Choice will have stolen the rights to every single track that a pirate might happen to have on his hard drive should a lawsuit arise?

If a defendant wanted to invoke some sort of argument that Sound Choice didn't have the right to sue because their own hands weren't clean that all Sound Choice would have to do to avoid dealing with this argument would be to refrain from naming any tracks that their legal rights aren't crystal clear on in the lawsuit. If the tracks aren't objects of the suit then their licensing would be irrelevant to the case. With most pirates having thousands of Sound Choice's tracks that were legally licensed on their hard drive that leaves plenty of fair game for Sound Choice to sue the hell out of them.

So what's the point?

So someone tell me. Where is a legitimate source for downloading tracks? There has to be a legal source for it. At this point I'm not using any Sound Choice material at all. I just want to know how to stay legal and still be able to afford to stay in business.

Scary thought !!!!

Thats like saying a Mafia Boss can't report that someone stole his car.....not a car he stole but a car that he legally purchased.....with money he made from selling drugs.

Criminals can be victims too.....and they have feelings.

Hmmm... Let's see.... SC has been in the karaoke business since when? And are you alleging that they "accidently forgot" to license these tracks? There was no license when the suit was filed... or it wouldn't have been filed and they had been selling these tracks for how many years?.... Read that as "intentional"



(1) Absolutely I have a vested interest....

(2) Yes, I believe they are hypocrites...

Everyone is going to believe what they want as far as legalities (as you can see from the thread). Mine is, not one download site i've come across to date says their karaoke tracks are ok for commercial use, but for private/home use only. Others feel that it's gray enough to be able skirt around it.

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Well then it makes more sense to me that you'd latch on to your VERY weak argument, and CONTINUE to refer to this case ad infinitum.

"ad infinitum?" I don't think so and, no, there's LOTS of other cases that can be used as an example. You just have to take your head out of SC's rear end far enough to see them.... they're there.

Um, no. You also sit "on the board" of the KIAA ( Whom I consider an SC noisemaker only, and in my opinion a scam..).. I have asked on several occasions for an actual physical address, and the person (s) in charge of the dispursement of funds collected by them and toward what purpose. NOTE: As previously posted, their mail goes to a prestige box in an office building in which they have no residence- a trick used by bedroom entrepreneurs to look more "busisness" -like.

You want trust? How about some answers?

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Yeah but I knew of several in my area that were disc based pirates.

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If you are refering to copies (counterfit), The ones I have seen are pretty easy to spot (laser printed). There is one kj in my area that runs his show on burns and yes I consider him a pirate until he can show that he has ALL his original disc.

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I know of a guy that on site would burn a copy of a disc you brought in to trade with him for a disc he had that you didn't ( never took him up on it though). Was blatant in asking to do so if he saw you had outside discs that he didn't.

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Now that is pretty shifty. That is a nice trick to pull on his singers, to aquire legal discs. The PT Barnum "sucker born every minute" saying still lives!!!!!!

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Did I say legal? He burn the original and gave the original back to the original owner.

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That seems to be the norm in my area. They (KJ) claim to delete the track after that singer steps off stage, but at their next show you can walk up and ask for that song and guess what, he now has it for you to sing.

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I know I am late to these discussions but I thought I would get back to the origonal question.

There is no reason for any disc based host to be concerned at all, and the only reason I can see for a computer based host to be concerned is if he has pirated music in his system.

For the argument that venues are stopping karaoke as a form of entertainment because of these investigations or lawsuits is at best a stretch, because in VB we have seen no venues take that stand. Yes some have stopped doing karaoke and yes it is because of the lawsuits, but not because the venue was "scared" of being named, some of them were named. The reason several have stopped doing karaoke is because the host they were using have left the business, the venues themselves are actively seeking new host. I went from two venues a week to five in one month and changed my rate from $150 to $250 a night at three of those venues and I am fairly new to the business, with my company being less than five years old, in fact I am making plans to leave my day job in the building maintenance field and doing karaoke full time.

For the same reason people do not want to get searched by the police without cause even when they are innocent, and have nothing to hide. The problem is that it appears the definition "probable cause" and "reasonable search" is all being decided by one side of the debate.

However if you were stopped by the police because you or the car you are driving fit the description they may be looking for at the time they stop you and you refuse to be searched, then they will take it further.

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Police from time to time do ask to search a vehicle they have stopped and there are two ways to handle it. One is to allow the search when you know you have nothing illegal to hide and they go through your car carefully without tearing anything up or throwing all your stuff out into the ditch! Or tell them they will need a search warrant and sit there and wait for two hours while they bring a JD search warrant out and rip your car apart and throw all your belongings out into the side ditch before telling you you are OK and can leave. I have seen it done both ways, the choice is always up to the driver of the vehicle.

My understanding is that the violation is already done with the act of transfering/converting the media to the computer, which is what the investigators are looking for. By allowing the audit and passing it, you are simply getting a pass for your violation and permission for the transfer.

I could and may very well be wrong, but it seems like the best way to deal with the situation.