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Um, no. I was politely mentioning a forum started by Thunder and Wall- NOT this one.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Hi Joe,

I am not aware of any forum started by Thunder and Wall.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Yes, he did:

He is asserting that without THAT SINGLE BRAND, your show will be "severely hampered."



Even you don't believe that a "100% show" even exists. i.e. there is no "top-tier" because it is ALL SUBJECTIVE.

Lots of confusion. The forum I was discussing has it's Admin listed as Steve Miller, and no mods. I wasn't talking about OKJT or the GF- and I CERTAINLY do not feel that Rum is the most vocally adversarial to my position.

In other words, what I posted had nothing to do with Rumbolt.

Rumbolt, I figured that you weren't aware of it. It's a very recent start, which they mentioned on the GF, and went for a look-see.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Exactly. I say "enhance", he says "dependent". Totally different, and that is the problem with Mr. Staley's arguing method. It is called the straw man, and he reverts to it constantly. When you call him on it, he does it again.

Which is why I am checking out of this one -- again.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Sorry you can't have it both ways;
#1. On one hand, you say having it will "enhance." Great. Fine. That's an "enhancement" only. And you can enhance your show the same way if you throw away Radio Shack microphones and use Shure SM-58's right?

#2. You turn 180 degrees and state that NOT having it "WILL severely hamper your business." Not "might hamper", not "could possibly hamper" because there is no doubt in your mind that it "WILL severely hamper." What's that? Sound to me that if you DON'T throw away those Radio Shack mics and use Shure SM-58's you could also be "severely hampering" your business right?

Any particular brands of amps or speakers or cables will also severely hamper your business? You see, it's all subjective - there is no hard, fast rule to follow. I know you'd like us all to bow our heads and simply agree with your pearls of wisdom, but IT IS ALL SUBJECTIVE. SC is NOT the "top-tier" to many people but I understand it is WITH YOU. That's fine. Good for you.

And the minute I call mckyj57 on it, he turns his sights on the person and crys "foul" by accusing me of the "straw man" buLLS(*t or that I'm trolling because he has no valid argument.

He's welcome to his opinion and that's great - however, so am I, and so is Lonman, and jdmeister, Diafel, Joe C. etc....

Whoops! I just took another peek over there. I noticed a post dated Wednesday the 2nd atributed to you, so I'm guessing that you didn't notice who the Admin was. He's using another pic now.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I believe that there are some Soundchoice tracks that can enhance a library, but I don’t believe their possession will enhance revenue unless your venue has established a niche and found a way of profiting by catering to elitist singers.

I have seen many shows where the KJ through their own preferences and bias have trained their singers to sing to a particular brand by choosing for them by default. I know KJs that still do this with DK as well as SC and CB. People will listen to the professional recommendations of their KJ the same as they do with their mechanic. If a KJ tells their singers that there is no substitute for Soundchoice because it’s the best, they tend to believe it true or not. I try to remain open minded, but find I also have manufacturer preferences and often attempt to influence others into feeling likewise.

Once you have convinced your singers that there is nothing better than Soundchoice (or DK, or SGB), you will have to begin convincing them that your new music is “good enough” even though everything from the past by the same manufacturer is still inferior.

In the end I believe the best enhancement to a library is actually having the songs people want to sing without regard to the manufacturer, and the best enhancement to revenue is making your venue happy with the numbers you bring in singing or not.

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Bingo...

and...

bingo!

Thunder and Wall are very active on the forum I Admin for so i am a bit confused to which forum you are speaking of???? PM me the forum you are talking of.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

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too much emphasis placed on the library alone and not enough placed on the skills of the host


Who's basing the emphasis? Are you generalizing? This forum, in your area, the overall industry?

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

Gotta disagree with this assessment. Who as KJ promotes SC at their shows? "Hey folks, I have sound choice, you just gotta try all their renditions!" In most case the manu of songs gains its own reputation from the singers trying this and that. In the end (yes I know this is subjective) when it's all said and done and the last singer sings at the last karaoke show of all time, SC will get more kudos from the overall pool of all time singers than any other brand. I'm not a cheerleader, don't agree with how they are running their business currently but that's just how I see it. (Of course someone could step up to the plate and overtake them) I can run my shows without SC. Then again I can do it without a sound monitor, or my lights, or my fogger, or my wireless mics, or my laptop, or my kiosk, or my state of the art audio equipment (again in my opinion), BUT in the end, for my business, I prefer to have top end for everything! SC is part of that equation. If the day comes that I would pull SC out of my library for whatever reason, now that 100% of my elements (again in my opinion) of a successful show is no longer 100%.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

I don't overtly promote it, but people DO notice. Just this last Friday night I had a guy come up and say "Was that the Sound Choice version of my song?" When I said yes he replied "I knew it. The guy I go to on Thurssdays has a much crappier version, with bad backup vocals. You always have the best versions."

+1 for SC.

I might be a bit confused myself. When I thought I "went back for another peek" I thought I went back to the same forum, because those two and their employees are the most active. However, this time around I couldn't find the me-bashing posts that were there before. Maybe the first time around I went someplace else? I will have to double check.

However, I DO note that Steve is listed as a Moderator in your private "Vetted KJs" forum, unless I'm reading it incorrectly:
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"Moderators: kjathena, Rumbolt, Steve Miller, Dan Gaines, David Sandman, Troy Helenick, Admin, KJNTN, Glmmantis, Moderators, Vetted KJ"
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However, though I respect you Rum, the forum that that you are on doesn't seem like it would welcome me either, and I have no desire to cause you headaches there so I'll leave it be.

EDIT: Yup, my mistake. It WAS your forum that I went to, and I found the ickies about me, but I must have been mistaken about seeing "Admin" under Steve's avatar.

My apologies to all for the error. I'll try to be more careful in the future.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

You did read correctly, anyone that is allowed into the vetted section (private section) is attached as a mod (in that section ONLY) since it is easier for me to set it up that way. None of the above names mentioned are mods elsewhere. Thanks for checking things out. "ickies" as you call them are allowed as long as no personal information is included as it is on this and other forums.
Rum

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Ah. Understood. BTW- I wasn't complaining about the "ickies" directed toward me. It's just an internet forum, same as here. I don't take them personally.

Hey, I even have a thread there named for me- I'm famous!

Also, reading the head of SC refer to me as Joe "The Blow" Chartreuse gave me the giggles. I actually saved the post!

Seriously: Though I will pass on it, no worries, and my cogratulations and best wishes on your new endeavor!

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

That's not how it happens. It happens like this:

A singer requests a song by title not mentioning any particular manufacturer. The KJ has that song by six different manufacturers yet chooses SC for the singer because that is the KJ's preference and is usually a decent rendition (but not always the best version).
After singing that version a few times the singer is now trained to sing that version and other versions will sound strange to that singer.

A singer can be trained to prefer another manufactuer's version as long as it's a good rendition and the soundchoice version will sound strange even if it's a better rendition.

This happens all the time with new singers. They become trained to prefer the preferences of the KJ they sing with because the KJ chooses the version they sing without any discussion of manufactuer's differences.

As far as promoting SC at their shows? I've seen several here that do just that with banners and the like.

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Now, who was it that said that manufacturers don't participate in name-calling?....


right...

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We'll just have to agree to disagree because I think that's EXACTLY how it happens. Everything you just said falls within my theory as part of the reason.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

Maybe I should explain my giggles:

I have oft stated that I do not engage in name-calling, flaming, etc... because in most debate situations this indicates a weakness of position, kind of showing that one's points are weak at best. Therefore, when I see the head of what a few consider the top ex-producer of karaoke doing such, I feel that weakness is being shown.

I am aware of a HUGE suit that has already been initiated against SC by CAVS, I have heard that there are at least 2 class action suits that are almost as big coming their way ( admittedly rumors only at this point) in regard to their methods, plus another possible suit against them having to do with the release of SC8125. I have stated earlier that it is my belief that SC will no longer be viable in the U.S. ( though it wouldn't surprise me to see them selling downloads out of Australia or the UK) by the end of 2012. I believe that they will be a non-entity in regard to the karaoke AND litigation business that they have recently developed as their main income source for several reasons by that time

I feel that the comments ( my nickname from Kurt) help bear out my suspicions.

THAT's what gives me the giggles.

As for the forum itself:

As Rum (correctly) pointed out to me, at the moment there are very few (maybe 25) members, and they are currently most interested in bashing- whether it be me, this forum, or anyone they don't like. Rum's hopes are that they vent out whatever they have to, and move on to mor pleasant subjects.
As that forum stands at this moment, I see no useful infomation, BUT, I give kudos to Rum for his willingness to take on the headaches, ill will, and other negatives in hopes of building successful forum, and wish him well. He does have a few positive type folks ( yes, they disagree with my stance, but don't go out of their way to be personally offensive) and my hope is that gets more of the same.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."