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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:13 am 
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I don't understand the Stellar program (Is it $3200 for their audit???)


My understanding is that paying $3200 for Stellar's CAP program grants you a license to use that portion of their catalog that was released prior to a certain date, regardless of how you obtained the material. Rather than requiring you to demonstrate legal ownership of that material on original discs, they take a payment from you and bless your (formerly) pirated copies. If you have all of it on discs, I doubt you need to pay them anything, if I understand their policy correctly.


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I don't understand the Stellar program (Is it $3200 for their audit???)


My understanding is that paying $3200 for Stellar's CAP program grants you a license to use that portion of their catalog that was released prior to a certain date, regardless of how you obtained the material. Rather than requiring you to demonstrate legal ownership of that material on original discs, they take a payment from you and bless your (formerly) pirated copies. If you have all of it on discs, I doubt you need to pay them anything, if I understand their policy correctly.


Yes, that is what I understood also... that I can license illegal Stellar tracks on an illegal hard drive. I don't have an illegal hard drive.. :lol: So, I can't get 'certified' by Stellar.

I think I read somewhere that Panorama disc's are not legal.... I've read a lot here though, so who's to say that I'm remembering correctly!! :lol:

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I have accumulated most of the equipment that I need. All I need now is more music. If I am not allowed to borrow disks, and I am not allowed to download stuff how am I supposed to get started??


I believe you can get the 6000 song GEM set financed from Sound Choice.

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is it any different than stealing beer to open a bar, or stealing a car to start a cab service? what makes it acceptable to you to steal music to start a kj service?
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I am trying to start my own karaoke business. I have 36 disks, that I bought for my own use. That isn't enough to start a business. I borrowed a set from a friend of mine, that were given to him by another friend, and ripped them into the computer that I will be using, not knowing that all this piracy nonsense was a big issue.


I read through a few of your old posts from 2005 and 2004. It looks like you were plenty aware of the "piracy nonsense" back then. In fact you said you were just starting out back in 2004. If you'd started purchasing then just a little at a time, then you would be in fine shape by now.


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I am just starting out, and I don't have a ton of cds, yet. But I try to update every week. So if someone were to tell me that I SHOULD have that, so they don't have to supply it, I would get insulted. Everytime I get a request for something that I don't have I work to get it.


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I just started running my show about a month ago. I have been singing at the bar for 6 months, since I moved to Florida. I took the show over for the last guy that was running it. The owner liked me, and fired the other guy. I usually start the show, and after each rotation. Then I end the show. When it's busy I sing less. When it's slow I sing more. My singers don't have a problem with this, and even request me to sing certain songs. I help them if, they ask me to. I make sure that EVERYONE gets their turn, and that they all get applause. I work the late comers into the show, by injecting them into the rotaion, at different places. My show is growing little by little. As a matter of fact, the guy across the street, has been slow the last few weeks, cause his crowd is coming to me. I also update my collection, just about every week. But I think it depends on the crowd. My crowd happens to like it when I sing. At the place I use to go to, when I was in NY, the KJ did the same thing, and none of us had a problem with it. And that was a REALLY busy place. I don't feel that the KJ singing is a problem. Just as long as it's in his turn, and not skipping people to sing their song.



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If I am not allowed to borrow disks, and I am not allowed to download stuff how am I supposed to get started?? Those of you that have been in this business for years have had all that time to accumulate your music. Most of you bought it while it was coming out. I have to play catch-up. I have every intention to buy my own music as I can, once I start working, but I need a way to get started.


You started KJing seven years ago, shouldn't you have caught up by now? It's time to pony-up and buy yourself some music.

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The thing that annoys me about the whole thing is that someone who is just starting out, now, has to worry about how and where they get their music from. I know the downloading of free tracks is bad, but it gives up-starts a chance to compete in the market, at least until they start to make some money. In this economy, who has the money to purchase a huge amount of disks to start a business with? I am trying to start my own karaoke business.

Don't have the money to legally start up a company, then wait until you do or don't do it!!
When I started I was renting discs from another company, making enough to pay for the rental plus a few bucks extra, buying a few discs a week with what I was making until I had enough to replenish the set I was renting & then everything I made was put back into the company purchasing more discs & equipment upgrades - all my original equipment was from pieces and parts I put together from used equipment from pawn shops & music stores.

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Ah aha ha ha Smooth Edge69 your a Pirate and you don't know what to do now. Ah ahahahahahaha Earthing Good find. See As much as I hate SC on how they go about suing people, I believe people like you are the biggest Problem. LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rest in peace. Sell you crap, Sell your story elsewhere. I think you are as guilty after reading that post as the cat with the feathers in his mouth saying Anyone seen the Bird? Where can we look for him, anychance we can get another one? Can I just borrow this otherone until I have enough to buy another.




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Hi there. How are you??

You started KJing seven years ago, shouldn't you have caught up by now? It's time to pony-up and buy yourself some music.[/quote]

That fell through. I was using someone else's equipment, and it just didn't work out. The CDGs I bought then are the same ones I have now.

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The thing that annoys me about the whole thing is that someone who is just starting out, now, has to worry about how and where they get their music from. I know the downloading of free tracks is bad, but it gives up-starts a chance to compete in the market, at least until they start to make some money.

Didnt you just start out as You say? Sounds like it to me, But yet Way back in 05 You knew of these forums. Heck I've dabbled in karaoke for awhile But wish I found these forums back then. Very informative. But you tell more stories than Disney I'm Afraid

You spoke as If you were just starting out and need Music Blah blah Blah. Now because of folks like you Some get sued for no reason.


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The thing that annoys me about the whole thing is that someone who is just starting out, now, has to worry about how and where they get their music from. I know the downloading of free tracks is bad, but it gives up-starts a chance to compete in the market, at least until they start to make some money. In this economy, who has the money to purchase a huge amount of disks to start a business with? I am trying to start my own karaoke business. I have 36 disks, that I bought for my own use. That isn't enough to start a business. I borrowed a set from a friend of mine, that were given to him by another friend, and ripped them into the computer that I will be using, not knowing that all this piracy nonsense was a big issue. Some of it is SC, most of it is Super Core and SGB. I don't like the quality of them, but they are usable, until I start making money. I see all this talk about undercutting Legal guys. I am not interested in hurting other people. I am in it to make a living for my family since there are no jobs out there. I am not looking to created a giant company. It's just me, and my fiance. I will be running the show, she will do the business stuff. I run a show for a friend of mine, on occasion, and have been for years. Now I want to do my own thing. I have accumulated most of the equipment that I need. All I need now is more music. If I am not allowed to borrow disks, and I am not allowed to download stuff how am I supposed to get started?? Those of you that have been in this business for years have had all that time to accumulate your music. Most of you bought it while it was coming out. I have to play catch-up. I have every intention to buy my own music as I can, once I start working, but I need a way to get started. What do I do?? I don't have any certified KJs anywhere in my area. The nearest one is 80 miles north of me. I am thinking that SC and CB aren't too interested in my area, because there are no big companies or big venues here. Any suggestions that you might have would be appreciated. Thanks.


You've really got it all wrong...when we started up, we still had to come up with enough music to do a show, AND the discs cost twice as much. You actually have it easier, because there is no cheaper time to start a karaoke business. You can get discs used or finance your purchase. This is not about the fact that you don't have competition around you. This is about being honest and doing the right thing.

My advice? Suck it up and buy what you need or don't bother. If you borrow or download, you're going to get caught and it's going to cost you FAR MORE than what it would take to do this legally.

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Yeah yeah yeah.

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The thing that annoys me about the whole thing is that someone who is just starting out, now, has to worry about how and where they get their music from. I know the downloading of free tracks is bad, but it gives up-starts a chance to compete in the market, at least until they start to make some money.

Didnt you just start out as You say? Sounds like it to me, But yet Way back in 05 You knew of these forums. Heck I've dabbled in karaoke for awhile But wish I found these forums back then. Very informative. But you tell more stories than Disney I'm Afraid

You spoke as If you were just starting out and need Music Blah blah Blah. Now because of folks like you Some get sued for no reason.

I JUST downloaded a bunch of music this past week. I haven't used it yet. I have the same 36 CDGs that I bought back in '05. I JUST bought my equipment, and sorry, but I forgot about this site because I stopped coming here. This is my first time back since '05 or'06. I had no need for this site. I found out LAST night, from SC's website about the piracy stuff and what they were doing. I didn't even know that SC stopped making discs until last night. So before you people start flaming me, how about waiting for the facts!! I have been out of work for the last two years, thanks to our lovely economy. My fiance helped me out with the purchase of the equipment. I just get started, and have every intention of buying plenty of disks as the money comes in. Personally, I would rather run my karaoke off my laptop, but if it going to be a big hassle, I will just use a player. I'll make CDGs and use a player, UNTIL I can buy real disks. I would LOVE to rent disks from another company, but guess what, we have no large companies here. Never have since I have been here. It's all one man shows around here, and most of them use computers, with stuff they downloaded. I was told, by a few of them, that there was no problem with it. What do I know?? Whatever. Now I need music. I WILL buy it as I can. But, for now, I gotta do what I gotta do. You want to get all pissy with me, that's your prerogative.


Everyone's got a financial sob story. Download and you'll get no sympathy here.

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I really love it here. It's so nice.

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You are incredibly naive if you think there will be no consequences. Whatever. Don't say we didn't warn you. If you came here for help justifying your actions, you won't get it. I suggest you skulk away quietly.

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I can't believe that you could come to a forum where people who do this for a living are actively discussing piracy and propose that you should be able to download/burn and STEAL music because it is the only way to start your business.

The way Sound Choice treats their customers is first and foremost by providing some of the best quality tracks available. They also now provide 6000 unduplicated songs already in MP3+G format for use on your computer hard drive. Their CD+G's are still available in the open market, brick&mortar and eBay as well.

The fact is what you suggested that you are going to do is the EXACT type of behavior that just about everyone here despises.

Whatever your circumstance, you don't start a business illegally (any business) and you have to be extremely obtuse and self absorbed to not understand that you've insulted the people here.

There are people here who would help out a beginner... but you are not what you purported to be.

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Smoothedge69 wrote:

That fell through. I was using someone else's equipment, and it just didn't work out. The CDGs I bought then are the same ones I have now. Had I continued since then, discs would not be an issue. Though, I think I would forgo using SC since I have found out how they are treating their customers. Now I just recently bought my own equipment. I still need a decent player, a table and a monitor. Financing the GEM series is not an option for me because my credit is terrible. Besides, making monthly payments would be hard, until I get a gig. No gig no money. I COULD just not use Sound Choice and CB until I can afford to, and just download other companies. I don't know, I am GOING to get this ball rolling real soon one way or another.

Don't do it illegally. Finance the GEM or switch over to Compuhost and use KJMedia Pro that way your songs will be what you play and not filler. For $400 and say $50 a week you should be able to run a show with even the little amount of songs that you already have and adding to it buy unlocking songs off of the Media Pro hard drive. I have terrible credit (A recent rpo on my record) and they still financed me.

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Music is out there and can be had for great price compared to what a lot of theses guys/gals have paid. In about a year and a half's time I've been able to put together a little over 10,000 legal, on original CD+G tracks. I'm not even a host!!

Ebay and craigslist are great ways of finding music. 2nd hand music stores get karaoke discs from time to time. Garage sales, thrift stores etc...

The majority of my library is CB. Had the KJ Media Pro HD been available when I started collecting I would have gone that route for my CB stuff, and avoided buying lots of discs for the quality ones but having to take the junk too.

I'd seriously reconsider going the pirate route. You never know when you might need some advice, help, etc... and with your current attitude I doubt you'll get that from anyone on here.

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@Smoothedge69 - Wow. So much wrong in what you posted.

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The thing that annoys me about the whole thing is that someone who is just starting out, now, has to worry about how and where they get their music from.


We all have to worry about that. Not just the new folks.

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In this economy, who has the money to purchase a huge amount of disks to start a business with?


That doesn't make it okay to steal it and deliver unfair competition to an industry already in trouble.

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I see all this talk about undercutting Legal guys. I am not interested in hurting other people. I am in it to make a living for my family since there are no jobs out there.


What do you think the folks that have been doing this for 20 years are doing? Or even the other legal hosts that are just starting out? I empathize with you on the job situation, but I am not going to condone your actions just because the market sucks.

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All I need now is more music. If I am not allowed to borrow disks, and I am not allowed to download stuff how am I supposed to get started??


Here. I will help you.

69 Disc Sweet Georgia Brown Set for $60 on eBay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/69-Disc-Sweet-Georgia-Brown-Neil-Diamond-Karaoke-CDGs-/120641753053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c16cf0fdd

That will triple your legal library for less that a dollar a disc.

19 disc SAV set starting at 1 penny.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Country-Karaoke-CDG-Set-19-Discs-Over-340-Songs-2-Discs-if-Bidding-hits-38-/350543621261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519e072c8d

78 disc set for $80 on eBay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-CD-G-LOT-KARAOKE-SET-ROCK-POP-COUNTRY-STANDARDS-JAZZ-/360325698546?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item53e515d3f2

50 Discs assorted genres for $80 on eBay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-KARAOKE-CDG-CD-WHOLESALE-LOT-rock-pop-country-oldies-/190529956574?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5c786ade

Anticipating your response....

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Some of it is SC, most of it is Super Core and SGB. I don't like the quality of them, but they are usable, until I start making money.


More help - Go to eBay. Search for "karaoke" change the results to sort by "Price + Shipping: Lowest First". There are 19 disc sets with the bidding starting at 1 cent. You literally can not get a better deal except free. if you scroll through that list you will also find Sound Choice discs with bidding starting at $1.99 + shipping. VERY inexpensive considering the normal retail cost.

If you live in a populated area, you will find discs practically being given away. They won't be Sound Choice and Chartbuster but it will add to your collection until you can buy higher quality discs.

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I am thinking that SC and CB aren't too interested in my area, because there are no big companies or big venues here.


You painted a bullseye, no matter how small, on you and your area with this post.

Suggestion - If you want help, ask for it. Don't declare yourself as a pirate in training, complain about conditions, justify your actions and then end with "Any suggestions that you might have would be appreciated. Thanks". You saw the response you received.

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I have no want or need of sympathy from you. I am just telling you the facts. If I get caught, I delete everything and they have no case. Trust me, I own nothing so they will get nothing from me if they sue. LOL. I have no money, and if I can't do this, I have no prospects of obtaining money. Them going after someone like me is just as ridiculous as when the RIAA went after little kids and their grandparents for downloading music. They go nothing from them, either. You can't get blood from a stone.


It' not IF you get caught its WHEN you get caught.
Deleting everything won't work as others have tried and still gotten sued.

Owning nothing will not work either, if a judge sets a judgement against you they can take what you have and if it isn't enough they can take what you WILL have. If you ever buy anything they can put a LIEN against it (car,house,etc.).

Save yourself a lot of headache and delete all illegal music.
Start you business as a side job if you have to (I and many others did and still are).
Admitting you have Illegal music here will get you NO sympathy and will probably get you investigated sooner. You are in Florida? All ready been lots of cases started there, so don't say they won't catch me.

Starting in this business is just like starting any other business. If you don't have the immediate capital save for it. If you only bought 2 discs a week it wouldn't cost you more than a couple of Pizza's.
Which do you want more, a business or splurging on fast food?

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