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I agree. Speculation is awesome. Carry on.

Of course! Gotta build the excitement - marketing 101...

So speculating- based only of the wording in two of Jim's posts - I going with the non - music production guess and leaning toward a new device, delivery system, or something that SC may describe as a service...

No new tracks.

THIS IS ONLY SPECULATION. Your - and their -mileage may vary....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I agree. My guess is download purchases from the old catalog of songs. My hope is new production.

Obviously, the "January" countdown has come and gone. The "updated" arrival date above does have some wiggle room, but is limited in its possible interpretation. Since "I think we will make it" was said, one can conclude that an alternate time frame is possible. Since the alternate time frame of "Might be Monday or Tuesday" is stated, one can conclude that this is THE alternative to "I think we will make it", which referred to "January". Given the parameters presented, these are the only real conclusions. One would have to stretch into conjecture to conclude that anything was intended to be communicated other than "January" or "Monday or Tuesday". If this is not the intention in this example, one might consider different verbiage to include more possibilities, such as "might be a couple of days, maybe more" or something to that extent. If one uses improper verbiage to insult one's intelligence by attempting to create a level of excitement dependent upon false pretenses, then it should be brought to light.

That being said, Monday is passed...will the ironic opportunity present itself to quote from a Lynyrd Skynyrd song title???

Not unless Kurt and Derek reshuffled rights between their respective companies ( SC and Stingray - who currently owns all download/ streaming rights ) AND new licensing has been acquired by SC. Remember, Jim's very carefully worded posts never specifically stated that the publishers are involved with whatever would be referred to in "the announcement".

I'm not certain that any TRACKS - new or old - are involved at all.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

"Not unless Kurt and Derek reshuffled rights between their respective companies ( SC and Stingray - who currently owns all download/ streaming rights ) AND new licensing has been acquired by SC. Remember, Jim's very carefully worded posts never specifically stated that the publishers are involved with whatever would be referred to in "the announcement".

I'm not certain that any TRACKS - new or old - are involved at all."

An educated guess based on a few facts - some little known:

1. No downloads of any kind. SC does not have those rights.

2. Derek shouldn't even be mentioned as he is an independent agent who no longer reps for Stingray and has had no professional dealings with Kurt for years.

3. No new production. Why? No budget. Publisher issues. Lots of ill will from sued venues and KJ's.

What does that leave? An educated guess leaves a new incarnation GEM. A physical product that has been produced overseas that SC will claim is legit and certified etc. etc.

Please share with us what you believe could be being offered by SC that would cost "significantly less" than $10k that doesn't involve tracks, given that virtually their entire business model, prior to the lawsuit pursuit, was the recreation of TRACKS...

I thought the loop hole they used for the GEM was closed? Think they found another one? Maybe they are moving operations overseas?

"Speculation is awesome. Carry on."

"I thought the loop hole they used for the GEM was closed? Think they found another one? Maybe they are moving operations overseas?"

Since we are speculating I would wager yes... history does have a way of repeating itself

If this was directed to me, the answer is........I have no idea. A new or different stand alone technology like the jukeboxes or the CAVS machines were? I truly have to idea- that's why we are waiting for Jim.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Karaokeinsider, in regard to your statement regarding Derek:

On April 1, 2014 - a little over 9 months ago - I e-mailed a question to Stingray via the "contact us " option.

It was received by Derek, who forwarded it to Kurt, who then forwarded his instructions on how it should be answered to a Ms. Franceur, who then replied to me- without ever deleting the forwards and comments from the previous recipients.

This has led me to believe that your statement in regard to Derek may or may not be correct NOW, but the part about "in some years" would have to be incorrect.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

To clarify. I meant that Derek has not been a business partner with his brother in a few years. Of course when he was working as an agent for Stingray he would direct SC related inquiries to Kurt. SC was a client of Stingray as well after all and they are still brothers!

Since we are just "speculating".......How about a CAP, like Stellar tried? It could be to the benefit of everyone including the "rights holders". Actually especially the rights holders, if it was set up with that in mind.

Ah, I thought you meant that Derek has not been involved with Stingray for some years, which is not the case.

I did find it interesting that Kurt was able to instruct Ms. Franceur at Stingray directly without having to go through or even CC-ing Derek.

My inquiry was in regard to Stingray, not SC. There was no reason for it to have beeen directed to Kurt, except that SC happened to be mentioned in the e-mail.

I hadn't thought about the possibility of offshore production, but I feel this option may have to be shelved until other issues are resolved.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Well, since the second deadline has come and passed, albeit the second one was a bit softer than the first, I cannot resist following through on the Lynyrd Skynyrd ironic song title:

"Tuesday's Gone with the wind....."

You kids today. What about the Stones' "Ruby Tuesday"?

Goooooodbye Ruby Tuesday......

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

yes dad, i promise i'll listen to good music

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Reading this thread, much of which is pointless heckling of SC and of HarringtonLaw, got me thinking. All of us in the entertainment business deal with hecklers sometimes--nasty people who nitpick, argue and ridicule just because we're there and they can do it. They complain about the rotation, or the mike mix, or the selection, or maybe they heckle other singers. Maybe they make a big deal about it if we have a technical problem and start five minutes late. The worst ones are the ones who chime in when someone else is heckling. Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens.

The world seems to be divided between people who respond by thinking, "I'm never going to be like that," and people who think, "I can't wait until it's my turn to pick on some other poor *******."

I re-read this thread, and except for Do calling Jim out on a missed deadline no one here is heckling either Jim or SC.

I'm not, and wouldn't I be one of the first? Heck, there isn't anything to heckle ABOUT.....- yet

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I can certainly see your point of view, but you are relatively new to this forum, so you haven't had to go thru the numerous annoucements, failures and heartbreaking disappointments that some of us have had to.

If you were to go through all of the posts that have been made over the years, you would find that this is a pattern that has happened all too often.

Someone posts an annoucement 'Things are going to get better, change is coming.. You'll see" and then a projected date is given.. And then that date comes and goes, and life goes on. You asked what happened, and it's always "We're having trouble with the lawayers/publishers' or "We just need to iron out a few bugs".. Then finally this monumentous annoucement does come and it really doesn't change a damn thing, or if it would, the company files for bankruptcy and screws a whole bunch of people over in the process, or they get sued out of existence because they don't have the money to fight a lengthy battle in court, even though they are right and we, the Karaoke Hosts are right back where we started before this annoucement was made.

Meanwhile, nothing positive happens and the industry as a whole just gets harder and more depressing.

What the publishers are doing to this business breaks my heart.. I love this industry with a passion that few people would understand. It has changed my life in ways that I can't even begin to express. So you will have to forgive me when I get negative and cynical like this, there have just been too many people who have cried 'wolf' even if it wasn't deliberate


-James