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no more so than you saw a Porsche so everyone wants a Porsche.


you said the top would be the highest rate and you were wrong. you said they all want higher bitrates but even the most recent uploads are not at top bitrates and those at higher bitrates are being "snatched up" at a slower rate than the 192k. not my speculation, facts verifiable by anyone just by checking out the sites themselves.


i didn't say no one will want them, what i said is that pirates don't care about bitrate and the preferred bitrate seems to be 192k (as all the new uploads of brand new discs are up at that bitrate) so it is like me saying that karaoke hosts prefer to use computers. it's not to say there are not a small group that prefer discs, but a vast majority prefer computers.


the top is in fact age of ultron....but it is at 720I...not even progressive and is now over 16,000 and was just uploaded yesterday. you would know that if you had checked it before coming after me. where is the bluray that all the pirates prefer?


i will accept that...
how about this....
the first 1080P copy was uploaded thursday....2110 shares.
720I=15,000 shares in under 24 hours
1080P=2,110 shares in 5 days
conclusion....pirates prefer 720I over 1080P for stealing downloads (that means bitrate does note matter as long as it is good enough)
how else do you explain that nearly every pirate you come across has the same copies of songs with the same errors in the same places? there are better copies for them to download, they just don't care enough to get higher quality.

lower quality movies are being "snatched up" many times more thieves than higher quality ones
lower quality karaoke is being "snatched up" by many times more thieves than higher quality ones

you threw the gauntlet and swore by your point. those of us that "are nothing but angry, spiteful liars out for revenge against Soundchoice. Revenge for the demise of their own businesses due SOLELY to their own lack of business acumen, dishonesty, piracy and thievery." because we disagree with the programs in place have been told for a long time now...
just because you want it to be so won't make it so.

this new program sounds to me like a horrible business decision for KJ's to buy high priced new tracks just because it says Sound Choice. the anti-piracy measures on the other hand sound like a great method that does not cause the reading issues that mediacloq did (as far as i can tell there are no DRM type codes or anything, just tagging the files) so i think it might actually work. if tracks do get produced.

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That is some of the best material I have seen from you in a long while. In the past, refereed a bunch of hosts here and more than one has asked me who the hell that angry Staley guy is. They won't even participate because of you specifically! (Something the Owners and Ops should have considered before allowing you back). So I don't even bother pointing people here any longer because they are smart enough to bother sifting through your vitriol and FUD.



Nowwaitagoddamnminute! We are supposed to believe everything you say when you are one person. But I post actual evidence from two different message forums where at least 5 different people posted about looking for higher bit rate karaoke tracks and that is less qualified?

And again....just because you say so? You narcissism has just been elevated to legendary status!

Out of curiosity, how much more evidence would need to be posted for you to admit you are wrong?

I have a lot more I can post to back it up, but I suspect you will continually discount it (by calling me biased) or change the criteria (note....it went from being "no demand" to requiring "overwhelming demand" [see above] ) or push the threshold ever higher (where do we go from overwhelming!?!?) just so you don't have to accept that you aren't the omniscient super being you portray yourself to be.

Wait! Wait! Wait! Look what I just found!

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Golly! Now you hurt my feelings!... I'm only posting in about 3 or 4 threads... If your hosts can't find some other area to participate in, that's not my problem. It's theirs, or yours..



And somehow you are smart enough? And you're still here... going toe-to-toe... I don't see you ignoring my posts... As a matter of fact, I see you stirring things up... So don't blame me for dispelling your FUD...


No, you're NOT "supposed to believe everything I say." (How many times do you want me to repeat that?)
But you have to be realistic here; "at least 5 different people posted about looking for higher bit rate karaoke tracks" is not -- under anyone's standards -- a representative sample that qualifies as statistically valid.

Only if you say so, but I'm the one who keeps saying; "Don't believe me" so I don't have any idea why you'd make this stuff up.

I'm not a statistician so I don't know, but I can tell you that it's far more than FIVE....


Getting dramatic just a bit wouldn't you say?

This is not rocket science, because 5 people on different forums expressing similar perspectives is NOT -- in anyone's book -- any kind of proof of "market demanding higher quality" because if that's all it takes, there have been a gazillion posts about SC's tactics "in the market." That should have a least as much "market weight" right?

Besides, weren't you the one with more than 1 Gem that was canvassing for ideas when you, were considering dropping the brand yourself? Shall we post that link?

You will most likely be reincarnated as a steam locomotive from the 1800's.... you're blowing amazing amounts of smoke...

Chip = obsession. Never in my life have I have seen anyone so obsessed with a company and determination to undermine and try to destroy it. It reminds me of an old toothless dog trying to hang on to a piece of meat. It's funny at first but quickly becomes pathetic.

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That can be proven false by looking at how many people have bought and paid for GEMs. That is demand.
There are hosts and hosting companies that have purchased 5 or more GEM's to support their multi-rigging. That is demand.
Also see below - can't pirate it if you can't get it.



Proven false by my earlier posts showing people updating their bit rates. The sample size you want to focus on is irrelevant. There are some people are updating their libraries. How many is less important than the fact that some are doing it. There may be no need but there is want.



See above.
False Statement. If "no one WANTS THEM", no one would have one.



See above. (btw.... need and want are different. You don't need SC, but lots of people want SC)
It is also just a false statement. It can't be pirated if it isn't available to be pirated. Piracy takes place at two levels - 1) Putting it out there and 2) Getting it. #2 Requires #1
No one I know of want's Druid Performance Tracks, but they are out there.

Would you say that your kiosk software has not been pirated because there is no demand for it?
Or because no one needs it?
Or because no one wants it?
Or because it hasn't been put out there?

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And how many of those people "bought" the gems as part of a settlement? Take them out of the equation.....


Leave it to you to twist "songs" into to "bit rates" which has nothing to do with "songs."
(really Chris? That's pretty obvious, even for you... I'd expect better)


There are a few that didn't want them and have them anyway.... even YOU were considering dumping them and the brand altogether.... even after spending how many thousands on them? Thought so. Your only reason for keeping them at the time was because you had already invested so much money into them.



Then name a song that is on the gems that is NOT already "out there" on the red label.
A single one....
take your time.....
I'll wait....



It hasn't been pirated because it (unlike other things) has a security feature that has not been broken since the day I started selling it.

Lots of host don't think they "need" it either. Most these days just take the attitude of "I like the patrons to just tell me what they want because it's better interaction with them." and they don't use/need songbooks either. Plus, too many want it for $25.... or less.

It has nothing to do with "need" or "want" or even "availability."

Then don't read the posts....

Use the "ignore" button.... (please!)

But I don't think you can, you enjoy your "drive bys" too much.

You put bought in quotes because even you know that bought is not what they did. It's irrelevant anyway because even one purchase demonstrates demand and we all know many more than one have purchased.

Demand has been proven.




I demonstrated that people had existing SONGS at a lower bit rate and were looking for the same SONGS with a higher bit-rate. There is no NEED for them to do this because they already have them, but they do anyway. They can't do this with GEM SONGS because they have no access to them.




GEMs have been acquired directly through the SC and PEP sites.

WANT is proven.




Irrelevant. The GEM is not available to pirate so it can't be pirated.






So you have a security feature that you believe is the reason why it has not been pirated.
I suggest GEM security features are the reason why the GEM isn't out there.



I would like to buy your kiosk program. How do I go about doing that?

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Sure they do... they're on a red label. We can argue bit rate vs songs and red vs blue all day long, try song vs song. Are you going to argue the color of the ink on the cd next? Probably. You think I can't get ANY gem song in a red label at a higher bit rate? Wanna bet on that?



Perhaps I should have said "they're not necessary." Does that make it any clearer to you?


It's not irrelevant at all. There's nothing on the gem series that is exclusive to the gem series. It's "out there" with a red logo. Period.


Show me my kiosk software under a different color label..... I'll wait. Perhaps you can find it on a torrent site? Maybe Bazza can help you... (You certified guys all seem to have the technological tools and experience at this pirating game.... I'm almost impressed.)
Because I can certainly show you the same tracks as the gems under a red label... and even at your precious higher bit rate.
I'll wait...... again...


I don't think you're eligible....

(IMO), I think that Chip is passionate (read obsessive) about a lot of things, and I'll bet he has determination to undermine other companies that have "SCREWED" him over.

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I don't think Chip has ever stated that SC "screwed" him over. He does talk a lot about the concept of "things in peoples' backsides", but that is different.

I think that if you asked Chip instead of speaking for him, he'd tell you that he is impervious and invulnerable to SC. That is because, as he has indicated several times, he only possesses their original CD+G product. He doesn't use it.

How do you think Chip has been "screwed" by SC?

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to be fair, you did go off a bit on Cue because he wanted a disc from the PEP advance and talked about no demand.

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His reaction to us has certainly been consistent with that of a person who thinks he's been screwed by us.

I pointed out on this forum recently that we'd never sued him, never sent him a demand letter, never spoken in any format to any venue he services, and so forth.

What we did do, shortly before he started complaining, is start suing multi-riggers and assorted other pirates. He once ran multiple rigs; your guess is as good as mine as to whether he was 1:1 for all of his rigs. When we started suing, he dropped the brand entirely and posted signs at all his shows about how he wouldn't play our music anymore.

Later, he asked us for a guarantee that he wouldn't be sued if he played SC at his shows from original discs. I told him, or his wife at least, that we couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be sued under those circumstances, because investigators can make mistakes. I did say that I could guarantee that we wouldn't sue him for playing SC from original discs, but that wasn't good enough.

Actually, it was about wanting multiplexed tracks with lead vocals, not about wanting discs per se.

Thank you for that honorable mention PK, but actually, I wasn't asking specifically for a disc, I was asking about multi-plex tracks. But, in either case, the same argument holds true, and it's so laughable how Chris holds others to his own DOUBLE-STANDARDS.

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My stance is that it hasn't been pirated because no one has put them out there. If it were, people would pirate it.

By your statements, if it were to ever leak, no one would ever download it. Because no one wants it or needs it and there would be no demand for it.

Got it.





I didn't think I would be. I only wanted it to prove you wouldn't sell it to me. I don't need it, it isn't necessary, and there has been no demand for it.

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Change of identity?....
Not Surprising.



Still whining?


You can stop with the innuendos anytime.


Correction: It didn't say that we "wouldn't play your music anymore" so get your facts straight or quit misleading everyone with this kind of untruth. You are far from the "wounded puppy" you would like to portray.


Go, on....you haven't finished with the reasoning here because your guess was as good as mine why he couldn't make such a guarantee since he had to pay a $400 or so filing fee for each lawsuit and knew exactly ahead of time who each and every defendant was... because they were "investigated" and he had "evidence" in the form of "secret attorney work product" remember?

Your guess is as good as mine how he could file a suit against someone like Rodney B. who was running discs. There was an investigation right? "Evidence collected" right? "Secret attorney work product" in the form of an investigative report detailing all the infringements that occurred right? Your guess is as good as mine with all that information at his disposal, why he couldn't absolutely control who was being sued.

Unless he didn't have any of that and perhaps it was a trolling operation with commission structure based on number of lawsuits and settlements collected? Your guess is as good as mine.


Now that's really interesting... and your guess is as good as mine why --- in just one paragraph up he claimed he:


Here is how this attorney works and you will have to decide for yourselves how much integrity and how ethical he is -- not just toward me -- who was asking "permission" and a guarantee from those "mistakes" but in any dealings you might want to have with this firm in the future:

If you read the two quotes above, they seem contradictory at first: he claims he's willing to give a guarantee and then in the next he says he won't right?

Wrong.

What his is really saying is that:
(1) he will guarantee that he won't sue me FOR playing off original discs.
(Like playing off the discs I purchased would be, in and of itself, some kind of infringing activity?)

(2) But he wont' guarantee they won't sue me IF I play off original discs at my shows.
(because there could be a mistake)

You'll have to pardon me if I'm just not comfortable with those parameters...

Would you be?

Like I said, Chip has an abnormal obsession with SC and Jim. You call call it a drive by, but it is the truth.

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Interestingly enough, that must be the same way that pirates feel about the gems. Why even spend the time to upload a song that is already there under a red label?

Except when it comes to my kiosk program, you are just blowing smoke again because you have no idea what the demand is. And demand is important to you right? As Mr. Harrington would explain to you; making such an assertion as though it is a statement of fact is really nothing more than a lie.

No surprise here.

Hey harrington, Kind of assuming here a bit. Your avatar says SC, America's favorite karaoke brand. Nah. I think Zoom has surpassed SC by a mile!!

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