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The cut off date for the UK to export discs to the US for distribution was January 2011. There were some threads on it at the time.

The ruling on The First Sale Doctrine was in 2013. That was also discussed on here at the time. A Chinese student in the US had been having his parents buy textbooks in China at a much cheaper price than in the US and then he sold them on EBay. The publishers sued him and the courts ruled that what he was doing was legal as long as the books had been produced legally under the rules of the originating country. This is how people are having friends in the UK buy discs for them.

However, if they are buying them for the expresses purpose of reselling them, then there more than likely has to be some sort of permission and/or taxing for reselling them...

Also, has anyone on here posted a lucid reasoning for why they decided to place restrictions based on delivery system?

!! You are looking for a sane reason from music publishers?? It's pure, unadulterated greed!!! Nothing more!!!

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because they can.
i forget who it was on here (Lon, maybe you will remeber) who was also a published musician and said they got more money from the overseas licensing than the U.S. licensing. the overseas money went to the rights holders, over here though it goes to the publishers who share a little with the actual workers who made the music. the publishers are in total charge in the U.S. and so they want more money, just charge more for licensing. it really is that simple. here they are in charge, over there PRSforMusic actually looks out for the artists and rights holders much more than here so the publishers do not get to strong arm quite as much.

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Why does one think that they are reselling them to KJFLORIDA? If it were me I would just send him money and tell him to buy ME all the latest stuff and send it to me. What would be the difference if someone in England bought a bunch of discs and then posted them on EBAY. In fact just checked lots of them on EBAY and from what I saw all ship to the US. Just because ZOOM can not ship to the US anymore doesn't mean that a private individual can't. I'm also guessing that the same could be done with MP3's. Just have them d/l them into a USB stick and send it to you. You could then save them to your computer and send the stick back if you wanted along with payment for future MP3's.

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Any product shipped to the US, goes through customs, and is subject to certain fees, based upon perceived value.

Unless you include a "Happy Birthday Card".

Just don't use the same card in the same year...

Happy Birthday...Happy New Year....Merry Christmas...Happy Valentines Day....Happy Mothers Day...Happy.... and the list goes on and on and on.....

Oh... and since SBI makes custom discs Zoom should hook up with them and then we'd still be able to get their music although at a somewhat higher rate.

Gee, I seemed to have missed that one... exactly WHY were downloads going to be cut off?


"agreed to stop"... yeah, right. This is so false on so many levels....

The last 3 shipments(and the year end set) have been trades, Our UK KJ friend gets us 2 zoom discs for every 1 Chartbuster going out of business spindle disc he needs all we pay is shipping.
However what we are doing is perfectly legal, trading or buying.

Chip Staley I now understand why my wife refers to you as TROLL, I am tempted to ask her to sign in recover all your WHY questions and direct you back to the threads.

Anyone have any idea what this means in English?

I blame YOU and YOUR wife for constantly questioning the publishers!! I FIRMLY believe that you had a hand in this crap!! If you had left well enough alone then MAYBE none of this would be happening!!

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and if your Aunt had balls, she would be your Uncle. A level playing field is just that level. If you want the few new discs ZOOM makes available to UK KJ's I have told you how to get them LEGALLY. For those that are upset that on demand downloads are being cut off, look to the past for your lessons and go back to buying music the way all us "oldtimers" did for years BEFORE the pirated almost killed the industry.

Chip Staley, maybe the answers you are asking for happened during one of your bans, you may need to read the old threads to find your answers. Athena would rather not return to these forums as she has enough on her plate.

Put the blame where it belongs---on piracy. The publishers were already scrambling trying to get a handle on the digital age. They were "suing grandmas" for downloading before any of us ever heard of KJFlorida and Athena. To think that no one noticed losses to piracy until it was pointed out to them is absurd.

I spoke a couple of weeks ago with a licensing executive for one of the major publishing groups. He confirmed that his office had been contacted by a number of karaoke operators over the years regarding licensing issues, but he told me that those contacts had had no impact on anything his group was doing.

The only instance I've been able to confirm in which a music publisher took any specific action after being urged to do so by a karaoke operator involved contact between the operator and outside counsel for the publisher, and that contact didn't relate to any UK producer.

There is no REASON to buy full discs when single song downloads have become available. You"old timers" think we should all be subject to doing things the way you HAD to. That is ridiculous!! I have said this a million times, why should I buy a whole disk for one or two songs, then have 10 songs that never get sung, when I can just buy the songs I need, as I need them?? You "old timers" need to realize that those days are gone!! The playing field IS level. The only difference, I carry about 5000 songs, in a collection that is generated buy my singers. You have 20,000 songs that no one will ever sing. That being said, you can KEEP doing things your way, but don't dictate to me that I need to do the same!!

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Not to mention that almost no-one is producing new music on disc anymore. There are sites that are selling the new digital music as custom discs, but it usually costs quite a bit more.

I predict that in a few short years NO ONE will be able to buy new music direct from the producer on disc in which case kjflorida and the like will be SOL.

-James

That's some funny stuff right there..

Everyone needs to take a break from their keyboard before someone pops a blood vessel in their forehead.