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| Author: | Karen K [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
I'm curious - if someone buys a CAVS player with 15,000 songs on it and they don't have hard copies, isn't this very much like a loaded harddrive? Not meaning to start another one of "those" posts but really, how different are they? |
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| Author: | SwingcatKurt [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
They are as u describe. Read the posts about them in the current threads. |
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| Author: | DJ DANGERUS [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
Todays CAVS do not come pre loaded. If you do buy a CAVS with pre loaded music either make sure you get the original discs with the CAVS system or the original invoice from the authorized dealer who sold the CAVS sysyem with the pre-loaded hard drive. A letter from someones aunt on the sisters side who the husband doesn't know and who lives in Yonkers but travels to Oakland with an original 100% cotton 8.5 x 11 white bleached piece of paper saying "in effect" this is a legal pre-loaded hard drive... Well lets just say what my mama always said "You can't Fix Stupid". |
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| Author: | Cueball [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
Karen K @ Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:04 am wrote: I'm curious - if someone buys a CAVS player with 15,000 songs on it and they don't have hard copies, isn't this very much like a loaded harddrive? Not meaning to start another one of "those" posts but really, how different are they? Karen, I posted a similar question in the "Post from Kurt Slep - SC" thread... Since nobody answered my question there, I will restate the 2 posts here.... RLC @ Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:51 am wrote: Below is a post from another forum by Kurt Slep - SC dated today 10-01-09.
It is an interesting read. Response from Sound Choice -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We do not have the rights from the Music Publishers (who represent the song writers) to grant the transfer of our music from the CDG to a hard drive, that is why we have not licensed "hard drives" per se. HOWEVER, we are willing to not take action (although, nor indemnify) a KJ who chooses to do so for reasons of ease of operation PROVIDED THAT HE HAS A LEGALLY PURCHASED DISC FOR EACH AND EVERY SONG ON EACH AND EVERY HARD DRIVE (or CAVS type ) SYSTEM. That is what we (and KIAA) are referring to as "1:1". Since it has been brought up here, I have a question about the CAVs units..... I am a CDG Operator-based KJ. I only use discs. When I was first starting out my collection (long before I even made the decision to try my hand at KJ-ing), I had already accumulated a mass amount of CDGs (which had taken me a few years to do). I had already owned a library of approximately 300 discs when the CAVs Machine first hit the market. The owner of the Karaoke store (where I made most of my purchases) didn't even try to sell me one of those units, because he knew that I already owned most of the songs that were already loaded into that machine (from what I remember, when it first came out, the CAVs unit consisted mostly of DK, Music Maestro, Chartbuster, and Pop Hits Monthly). Kurt mentions (in my quote above) that as long as you have a legally purchased disc for each of the songs on the Hard Drive or CAVs type unit, you are ok (regarding the statement that SC says they will not go after you). If you had purchased one of the CAVs units (that I described) how do you prove you are not one of those people that SC (or one of the other Manufacturers in the future) might be going after. I know that SC wouldn't be going after those people, because they wouldn't/shouldn't have any SC music loaded on them. But, that still leaves Chartbuster (who I believe InsaneKJ mentioned was also beginning to go after the pirates such as SC is actively doing). I don't recall Retailers offering a fully matched/corresponding set of discs to be supplied with the purchase of the CAVs units when they came out in the retail stores years ago. Does anyone else? Aside from showing a receipt for that purchase (for those that even still have their receipts), where does that leave the people who purchased those units legally (only loaded with the music I mentioned above)? How would that separate those people from the pirates? |
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| Author: | srnitynow [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
There are different types of CAVS units. I have the CAVS 203g, and it came with 3 super cdg discs, which I had to load into the unit, therefore, I have the discs to backup my library. For the people that bought a CAVS unit ALREADY loaded that did not get discs, I think that even if you don't have your receipt, your CAVS unit has a serial #, and could be traced back to the CAVS (authorized dealer), and could be proven that you purchased the machine with XYZ number of songs pre-loaded, for X number of dollars. Just my opinion. Srnitynow |
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| Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
 It is possible to take your Cavs SCDG and covert the songs to MPG 3 and down load them on a PC, as long as you have your original paper work and the discs to prove you bought the music there shouldn't be any problem. Even from CB/DTE/PR it would be very easy to show you are 1:1 since the CB product is on six SCDG discs with 450 songs each a total of 2700. I have purchased 14 of these SCDG discs and that is over 9,000 songs alone.
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| Author: | MADPROAUDIO [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
Cavs players actually transcend in both directions. |
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| Author: | MADPROAUDIO [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
Understanding the right questions to ask ANY seller is the difference in which consumers need to start adapting to. 1. A cavs player with loaded music does not necessarily mean it is an automatic red flag. Example; Cavs has a 2,300+ digital karaoke package that does not require disc. Yet it must be cavs karaoke music and the consumer should ALWAYS call cavs directly and verify that the seller with whom sold it to them actually purchased the package from them and did not pirate it. Questions to ask any seller before you EVER purchase: DO NOT ask them over the phone, force them to reply in writing. A. First you play the role of a super nice unknowing buyer who really wants to do karaoke and needs to put a system together. Let the seller offer you their music packs. Be sure to get ALL the information you can such as number of songs, the song listing, etc. B. Then after you have that. Tell them how wonderful of a deal you feel you are getting and ask how many discs come with it. If they say none. Ask them what karaoke manufacturers are on the drive and how many songs are represented by each of the manufacturers. Example; 18,000 songs on a drive. How many of the 18,000 are this brand, that brand, and so on. C. 99% of the time, the seller is done with you because they now realize that you are sniffing their inventory and are not as dumb as they hoped you would be. D. If the seller claims they have a digital license or own the music. Then challenge them every step of the way. WHY? Because many of the people we see on this forum seem to care about the harmony of the business and hate knowing legit kj's and sellers are being destroyed by piracy. Example; Customer stated to us that another retailer claimed they owned the rights to Sweet Georgia Brown and thats why they were able to make their own custom scdg disc (like the one you see in our profile photo). Yet they could not provide one shred of proof they owned it. After doing research, it was found that NO ONE owns SGB anymore. And the customer wondered why their cavs 203g usb with over 3,000 songs was the same price as many others selling just the player alone. Hmmm, can we say piracy? E. Another classic trick with sellers is where they tell you that they have a digital license and will put it in writing on the invoice. There once was this movie where Chris Farley said he could crap in a box put on the box that it has a warranty" To date. We know of NO retail store, online sellers that have ANY digital license to sell you karaoke music like sweet georgia brown, legends, chartbuster, etc.. ONLY the manufactures themselves OR the ONLY recent induction of digitraxkaraoke has been able to sell you many different digital songs together as a bundle for professional use. Even then. Retailers CANNOT sell it. They sell direct to the consumer. F. We feel really bad for all the misleading information that is out there and can even tell you with our vast knowledge of this subject. Even this information is incomplete. BOTTOM LINE: Anyone that EVER reads this thread and is looking to purchase karaoke music going digital. Do NOT purchase until you have had others provide you with all the questions to ask that seller in writing. We will personally work with any manufacturer or licensed karaoke distributor in conjunction with the questions we provide you with. Simply gather all the awesome deal information from whatever seller, post your findings on here and email us to let us know to look at it. DO NOT mention the sellers name at all. Keep that under wraps. (Only reveal that to the manufacturers/licensed music providers) We will help you step by step with questions to ask in order to EXPOSE anyone for who they really are, whether it is good or bad. DO NOT let how many years of business they have been in, nor reviews, nor how cool their site is give you a level of comfort. Be safe up front than sorry in the end. Most recent consumer story: He was from Canada. Saw a cavs 105g usb player with a couple hundred LICENSED songs from cavsusa for $208 shipped to his door. That is truly more than fair pricing. Yet he was given another deal from another seller for an upgraded 203g usb, added external hard drive, and 6,000 karaoke songs. WOW, all for only $499. Considering we understand real pricing more than most do. We estimated that after you factor in the wholesale prices of all the equipment, the cost to ship it to canada. He would of only paid about $100-150 for ALL that music! WOW, no disc, all loaded on the drive, etc. Now why would this guy EVER wish to buy the $208 deal when the $499 package clearly crushes it. Exactly. And until the guy was educated and asked the tough questions via email, he would of never known nor really cared. To capture one soul at a time is the hard work that must be done. He reported back that the company that offered him such an amazing deal and was all about getting the sale all of a sudden stopped communicating once the real questions were asked. Everyday we feel for those honest kj's that are trying to do right and are crushed by unfair competition. Educating each other and posting your experiences ALL over the internet will start to expose these seller who are killing this market. MADPROAUDIO ~ EX MILITARY DISABLED ~ FAMILY OWNED |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Aren't CAVS players like a loaded hard drive? |
Headline, THREADS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD!!!! 
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