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| Author: | seattledrizzle [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Article: http://www.nwkaraokeguide.net/washingto ... the-market |
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| Author: | karaokegod73 [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Looks like they're planning on suing anyone who doesn't buy a library |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Huh? Not unless they are planning to drop out of KIAA... |
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| Author: | DannyG2006 [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
They are only interested in those that do not have discs to back up the music they have on hard drive or those that don't own original discs compared to the copies they might be using. They have the right to make a profit off of their product as much as anyone. They share the attitude of the KIAA over 1:1 ratio. |
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| Author: | Dr Fred [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Before he accuses all of the KJs out there of not being willing to buy a download he might as well sell them, and actually TEST the market. Of course if many if not most of the SC songs out there are either out of print or obtainable only on hard to find CDs that contain 14/15 songs the KJs have already then it is not a surprise that a lot of SC songs out there are pirated. Even when SC still made custom discs they were being sold at about $4 a song not the $.99 he complains about. |
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| Author: | DannyG2006 [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
They won't do downloads as there is no license in the USA to protect the KJ from being sued for comercial use from the original copyright holders. Even Chartbuster's downloads are for private use only. |
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| Author: | Dr Fred [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
There is no laws/legality that are based on the FORMAT of the track regarding it's legitimacy for public/private use. If SC or Chartbuster has the right to sell a song as a download for PRIVATE use they also have the right to sell the Song for PUBLIC PERFORMANCE. There is only a concept of people like Kurt that think that KJs should have to pay more than private users for a song. The concept that downloads are illegal is just because SC decided that it is easier to sue illegal download companies than actually sell songs for download to KJs. |
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| Author: | Cueball [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
I thought it was very funny that Kurt didn't mention anything about "POOP" in his article. The only group he mentioned was the ADJA. quote: Sound Choice has chosen to partner with ADJA, the worlds leading association for Mobile DJs and Karaoke Hosts, because we believe in their Code of Professional Conduct. end quote |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
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| Author: | leopard lizard [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
I think if SC and the other U.S. based karaoke companies could legally sell us downloads, they would be on it to make the money. They have at least one hand tied behind their backs in trying to compete with the overseas companies that have less stringent laws. I'm sure they'd love to be on the same playing field if they could. I don't see it as an attempt to control us so much as they just can't legally do it. |
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| Author: | jerry12x [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
leopard lizard @ Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:15 pm wrote: They have at least one hand tied behind their backs in trying to compete with the overseas companies that have less stringent laws.
I had actually been wondering that one quite a lot. One of you will have the answer. Why don't they market through the UK? |
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| Author: | leopard lizard [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Enter Joe Chartreuse. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Dr Fred @ Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:02 pm wrote: Before he accuses all of the KJs out there of not being willing to buy a download he might as well sell them, and actually TEST the market.
. He has, through now defunct third party sites. However, the fun part is that anyone who downloaded them- and doesn't have the disc as well, isn't 1:1, and SC will be happy to break your chops, even if you paid for them in good faith. Nice double dip, huh? |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
DannyG2006 @ Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:13 pm wrote: They won't do downloads as there is no license in the USA to protect the KJ from being sued for comercial use from the original copyright holders. Even Chartbuster's downloads are for private use only.
Danny, c'mon... SC couldn't care less about "protecting the KJ". They just can't download, then demand 1:1 discs- a loss of income for them. Also, about "protecting" the KJ: They tell you that their Gem tracks are for home use only, then make them in the inferior MP3 form for easy of PC loading by hosts. Kurt has even done a "wink wink" post about it going back a ways. Once loaded, these tracks are no longer manufacturers' original product. They are now technically COPIES, not the originals, and are now the KJ's licensing responsibility- just like downloads. Once made a copy, or downloaded, the original mfr. is no longer responsible for content and you're on your own... Protect KJs? No. Covering their own a$$. By the way, you DO know that even the factory original GEMs have not been licensed in the U.S., right? In the UK, but not here. No worries though- SGB had no U.S. Licensing either... 
If one wants to keep paying premium prices for what is now an accoustically inferior product to all mfrs. still using CDGs, that's fine by me. Did I say that without a disclaimer? UBETCHA! If you are not one of the 20% or so of the genpop that can hear the difference, put a scope on them and note the random compressions, drop outs, key changes, as well as less range. This is not an arguable point- it just IS. So you know, MP3s never EVER meant for commercial use. They were designed back in the day for easy and quick transfer of sample files over slower modems to be stored in a minimum of what was then expensive disc space. They are not close- even to WAV files- in quality. Audio junk Now, I understand that about 80% of the pop doesn't notice the difference. That's not my point. My point is, do you really think it's a sound business idea to pay premium prices for dreck? If you simply must ( for who knows what reason) have SC, at the very least search the net for CDGs, and if a PC host rip from them. THINK! |
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| Author: | Dr Fred [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Chartbuster instists (on this forum look it up) that their download songs are legal for commercial use. Kurt and crew have insisted that downloads are illegal because SC made a business decision to not sell them. This is the same sort of business decision that they made when they spilled a tanker full of ink saying that it is illegal to transfer from disks you own onto a 1:1 hard drive. Strangely when SC produced a product that is specifically marketed for transfer to a hard drive they seemed to forget their former legal position on the matter. With the legal system SC is saying that they will sue you if you pay for the downloads or if you pirated them. So of course with a lawsuit from SC either way of course many KJs turn to pirated songs. As for the arguement that just because of the QUALITY of the MP3 they are not for commercial use. Quality of product does not matter with respect to commercial application, many fast food restaraunts have gladly made the choice between quality and quantity as a commercial business. For KJs the slight hit to quality by MP3s is a choice many KJs are willing to make to get the quantity and convenience. A product does not have to be "best" to be commercial it just has to be good enough, and for most cases the difference between MP3 and CD is not going to change a track from OK to unacceptable. |
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| Author: | Bazza [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
JoeChartreuse @ Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:12 am wrote: So you know, MP3s never EVER meant for commercial use.
They were designed back in the day for easy and quick transfer of sample files over slower modems to be stored in a minimum of what was then expensive disc space. They are not close- even to WAV files- in quality. Audio junk But time doesn't stand still. This was true a decade ago, but is no longer true today. This no longer holds water. |
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| Author: | admaero [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Quote: They are not close- even to WAV files- in quality. Audio junk
But time doesn't stand still. This was true a decade ago, but is no longer true today. This no longer holds water. What has changed? -d |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
An MP3 ripped at 320 is going to be virtually indistinguishable from an actual disc. If at all. |
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| Author: | admaero [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
Quote: An MP3 ripped at 320 is going to be virtually indistinguishable from an actual disc. If at all.
Yes, I understood the point. I was looking for a technical answer. -d |
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| Author: | LaLaLinda [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kurt Slep on the state of karaoke |
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