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I might be confuse here, but you don't get/need to be audited if you are disc based?

Why?????

What is the difference if you used "copied/burnt" CDGs?

You could have download tracks illegally, then burnt them on a disc....

Has this been "discussed" yet?

I have been told that many times... They have said, YES, even if you are 100% disc based, you can be and probably will be, nevemind should be audited.

Ebay is full of fake discs as well as craiglist and others, some are cheap paper labels and other like I recently purchased from urbankaraoke were fake, but done "professionally" they were silkscreened, placed in a case with inserts and sealed in shrink wrap. To the Novice, they would never know the difference as to whether it was "real" or not. There is still a big Black Market out there somewhere...

There are many kj's that are more than willing to use "Burned discs" just as I know there are many Kj's here in Tulsa that were Limewire Members and got ALL their CDG content from limewire. But their argument is ..they paid a membership fee to be able to downlaod karaoke files,...therefore it was legal...
my response is hahaha, Does that help you sleep at night too? Knowing that limewire lost the lawsuit and was sued and shut down for allowing that very thing?
they simply respond....that's not my problem, i paid for it.


I am not certified as of yet, but I am sure it will happen some day. it's just a matter of time before they come after me. haha No big deal, I am easy to find.

Rick In Tulsa

Each manufacturer sets its own policy on this question. Here is the policy for Sound Choice:

If you only use 100% "original media" discs--in other words, the physical discs that originated from the manufacturer--then there is no need to be audited per se, because the purpose of the audit is to verify compliance with the media-shifting policy. Your actions would not expose you to the risk of being sued based upon unauthorized media-shifting in that circumstance. You may be interested in becoming a "certified" host, however, because you can use that as a marketing tool.

If you use "copied/burnt" CDGs, that is a different story. Because they contain media-shifted content, you would need to be audited to verify your full compliance with the media-shifting policy. If you didn't, and an investigator witnessed you using burns, you would probably be sued, precisely for the reason you suggested (that you might have downloaded them illegally and burned them to disc).

Rodney's situation is very unusual, for reasons that have already been adequately discussed.

OK, Yea, I understand.....
But, I assume, if a SC "investigator" is at a show and sees a host flipping discs, do you really think SC will file suit?

How would the "investigator" know that discs are burns?

Rodney uses only original CDG's....

He was sued in federal court for trademark infringement and using unauthorized and counterfeit Sound Choice tracks along with 30+ other defendants according to the (not sworn) Complaint.

Does that answer your question?

This should answer your question....

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How about don't use Sound Choice or Chartbuster for your karaoke? Plenty of other choices to buy and none of them care if you media-shift, as a matter of fact, they expect it in the year 2012!

How about don't use Sound Choice or Chartbuster for your karaoke? Plenty of other choices to buy and none of them care if you media-shift, as a matter of fact, they expect it in the year 2012!
How about don't use Sound Choice or Chartbuster for your karaoke? Plenty of other choices to buy and none of them care if you media-shift, as a matter of fact, they expect it in the year 2012!

That is a simple answer, but not such a simply issue to address. yes, it is a matter of simply choosing to NOT use sound Choice Or Chartbuster if one does not agree with their policies, On the other hand, as anyone that uses these discs knows, these are the bread and butter of most shows. These are the discs that get asked for time and time again. Sure there are always options, but in MY experience, if I don't have a SC version of a particular song, the patron will NOT sing the song. simple... Not always, but this is what I experience most of the time.

It would make for some slow nights without using SC & CB at my shows. I can liken it to a bar going non-smoking tho.. The patrons get "pissy" and self-righteous and just leave and not come back. They just go somehwere else where they can smoke. BUT over time, they may slowly get over themselves and come back to the establishment for the very reasons that brought them their in the first place.
These days there are to many choice, especially when everyone around you has more songs than you because of the HD's. In an effort to stay legal and do what is "right" one is going to have to ride the rough waters, pay the price and tough it out...or get out.
It's not going to get any easier... it will get more and more difficult down the road.

My two cents
Rick In Tulsa

This is also our experience as well. I do believe it has to do with the quality of singer too. Better singers tend to want better quality music, while those of avg and below singers, don't really care in which any brand/quality will suffice. A no SC/CB policy in our show would drive the better singers away - this isn't speculation, it's a fact, since I am already seeing newer (good) singers from a couple clubs that pulled their SC material.

Smoking is another debate in itself, however being in one club that does allow smoking (tribal) in a non-smoking state, I know we would gain a much bigger crowd if the club went non-smoking.

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Have I failed to mention in every posts that I own, maintain, and use 100% legally purchased original CDG's?..........
Not one burn, "EVER".....
Strictly use CDG's only, "ALWAYS"....
Does this help clarify things?
I am still amazed how many people in here want to come up with outlandish scenarios to the contrary.....
Hmmm, maybe if I said the world is round, I may have my doubters too......

Most don't know how old school I really am......
OG Jolter here.....
21 years, minimum 4 shows a week, non-stop.....
I think I deserve better?

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yes awildncrazykj you do deserve better....some people just would argue that the sky is blue...maybe they will get a "crash test dummy" and leave those that refused to be one alone soon. Hang in there

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1) The mfr. has no say when it comes to making disc to disc backup copies of the original. No special written permission is required from the mfr., as this permission is implied with the sale of the original disc, per the copyright case in the 90's One can make a disc to disc back-up copy for single site use of software, movies, CDs, and karaoke discs.

The ONLY REASON that I use mfrs. original discs at a show is that I think they look more professional when laid out on the table then white-labeled back-ups. PERIOD.

If my Easypro re-surfacer ever craps out and I have to use a back-up DISC in my show, I will- and there is nothing anyone can say about it, or force me to do.

Anyone who wishes to audit my discs is welcome to do so, as long as they make an appointment and pay me my minimum private event rate for my time. However, I will not allow my property to be altered in any way, nor will I publicly display any sticker or certificate bearing a company name that might cause anyone to associate my business with said company.


2) Discussed, but never explained in full...

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I do - we used to chat on JOLT quite a bit!!!! One of my former hosts also met Rodney in person a few years back.

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Yes I do think you deserve better.
I wasn't point fingers at you, or accusing you of anything.

I was just confused as to whey SC doesn't require audits of EVERYONE weather they are disc or pc based. Like I said it is just about as easy to burn an illegal CDG as it is to play the same track on a PC.

OK, perhaps Rodney miss typed or something. He said "was CDG based only". Nothing about burnt discs.

But then again, how would a investigator, at a show, know the difference between a burnt disc and an original. I have seen some great looking labels out there on discs. I am sure it wouldn't be hard to burn an CDG from illegally downloaded music, and make the label look close to an original SC cdg, well enough to pass in the low light of a bar environment.

My answer is tht if an SC "investigator" ( such as one may find somewhere) can't tell the difference, and there is no EVIDENCE of wrongdoing, then he/she should simply shut up and go away. Make sense?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Yes