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I just got my SGB 68 set. Who would I contact about shifting them to the computer? I tried the e-mail listed on the disks, but since SGB is gone, I got a Mailer Daemon telling me the address was no good. I figured some of you knowledgeable folks could direct me to the proper source. Thanks.

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I just got my SGB 68 set. Who would I contact about shifting them to the computer? I tried the e-mail listed on the disks, but since SGB is gone, I got a Mailer Daemon telling me the address was no good. I figured some of you knowledgeable folks could direct me to the proper source. Thanks.


I've heard that Chartbuster purchased the rights to SGB, but I've not seen where anyone had been able to positively confirm/deny it.

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I just got my SGB 68 set. Who would I contact about shifting them to the computer? I tried the e-mail listed on the disks, but since SGB is gone, I got a Mailer Daemon telling me the address was no good. I figured some of you knowledgeable folks could direct me to the proper source. Thanks.


I've heard that Chartbuster purchased the rights to SGB, but I've not seen where anyone had been able to positively confirm/deny it.

I just called CB, and the receptionist didn't know anything about it, so she is finding out for me. I will let the board know what i find out.

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Let us know, I don't think any of us has permission. :oops: They, whoever they are, know there not bootleg, hell there to darn cheap for someone to steal. I guess some have though...Just last week a singer gave me their whole set.

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Let us know, I don't think any of us has permission. :oops: They, whoever they are, know there not bootleg, hell there to darn cheap for someone to steal. I guess some have though...Just last week a singer gave me their whole set.

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Cheap and easy way to get started. That's the name of the game, at least until i can afford to get the CB Kjpro thing.

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It's amazing that you can't can't find copyright info online just by doing a search for it. Makes one think that NOBODY owns them.

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It's amazing that you can't can't find copyright info online just by doing a search for it. Makes one think that NOBODY owns them.

Couldn't find anything on Sweet Georgia Brown. I never believed they licensed anything in the first place. If Chartbuster owns anything it would most likely be the Trademark logo only - which is what they would be suing on anyway.

Did find a ton of Sound Choice registrations though
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebre ... 151&SID=30

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It's amazing that you can't can't find copyright info online just by doing a search for it. Makes one think that NOBODY owns them.

Couldn't find anything on Sweet Georgia Brown. I never believed they licensed anything in the first place. If Chartbuster owns anything it would most likely be the Trademark logo only - which is what they would be suing on anyway.


Which tells me that is the ONLY reason why they would buy it, just so they could sue people. Quite a shady move.

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Which tells me that is the ONLY reason why they would buy it, just so they could sue people. Quite a shady move.


Just as a curiosity...

Suppose a tractor-trailer owned by a large corporation smashed up your Jeep and seriously injured you so that you had to be hospitalized, and suppose that it turns out that the driver fell asleep at the wheel, causing the accident. Suppose, finally, that the corporation was not only aware that its driver was sleepy, but also actually encouraged that driver to drive while tired, knowing that it was illegal but counting on not getting caught.

Would you just ask them to the right thing and pay your medical bills, pay for your pain and suffering, and pay to replace your Jeep?

And if they didn't, what would you do? Would you sue?

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It's amazing that you can't can't find copyright info online just by doing a search for it. Makes one think that NOBODY owns them.


Although there are certain advantages to registering copyright in a work, copyright registration is optional under U.S. law. Regardless of whether there is a registration or not, copyright is vested in the author or authors of the work immediately upon creation of the work. (For example, if you have ever taken a photograph, you likely own the copyright in that photo.) So, while it is entirely possible that the record owner of the copyrights is a defunct entity, I assure you that SOMEBODY owns them, even if it is just a list of shareholders in the defunct entity.


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Many logo/trademarks are rumoured to be being bought up by the 'big three' in order to stop piracy overall so those that just eliminate the SC & CB tracks think they are ok - they could be sued for many of the other labels that don't exist anymore - which is the point. Again it's only rumour, but some of those companies include SGB, DK, MM, AH and a couple others I can't remember seeing.

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Which tells me that is the ONLY reason why they would buy it, just so they could sue people. Quite a shady move.


Just as a curiosity...

Suppose a tractor-trailer owned by a large corporation smashed up your Jeep and seriously injured you so that you had to be hospitalized, and suppose that it turns out that the driver fell asleep at the wheel, causing the accident. Suppose, finally, that the corporation was not only aware that its driver was sleepy, but also actually encouraged that driver to drive while tired, knowing that it was illegal but counting on not getting caught.

Would you just ask them to the right thing and pay your medical bills, pay for your pain and suffering, and pay to replace your Jeep?

And if they didn't, what would you do? Would you sue?

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It's amazing that you can't can't find copyright info online just by doing a search for it. Makes one think that NOBODY owns them.


Although there are certain advantages to registering copyright in a work, copyright registration is optional under U.S. law. Regardless of whether there is a registration or not, copyright is vested in the author or authors of the work immediately upon creation of the work. (For example, if you have ever taken a photograph, you likely own the copyright in that photo.) So, while it is entirely possible that the record owner of the copyrights is a defunct entity, I assure you that SOMEBODY owns them, even if it is just a list of shareholders in the defunct entity.

But does the owner of SGB go around haunting and investigating people, like YOUR client does, if I were to shift these discs?? That's what I want to know. I am a little tired of the cloak and dagger crap. I would like some straight answers.

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Many logo/trademarks are rumoured to be being bought up by the 'big three' in order to stop piracy overall so those that just eliminate the SC & CB tracks think they are ok - they could be sued for many of the other labels that don't exist anymore - which is the point. Again it's only rumour, but some of those companies include SGB, DK, MM, AH and a couple others I can't remember seeing.

It seems MM is now part of Tricerasoft's lineup, so they are actually ok. I think it's despicable. It should be public knowledge, who owns the rights to ALL karaoke discs, so you know who's a** you have to kiss in order to get permission to shift the tracks to a computer.

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Trademarks are bought up everyday. This is really no different. I see their point in wanting to do so, some refuse to keep SC & CB on their systems and use the other illegally obtained stuff, this would help police those tracks as well. I know one kj here that did just that, pulled all his SC & CB tracks & uses the rest of his illegal drive thinking he'll never be bothered.
Not talking about the set you just bought.

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Trademarks are bought up everyday. This is really no different. I see their point in wanting to do so, some refuse to keep SC & CB on their systems and use the other illegally obtained stuff, this would help police those tracks as well. I know one kj here that did just that, pulled all his SC & CB tracks & uses the rest of his illegal drive thinking he'll never be bothered.
Not talking about the set you just bought.
But that is what I am saying. Mine are legal, but I want to know who's butt needs to be kissed to shift them, or will nobody care? You know what I mean??

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Shift away dude - it's not a problem.


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Shift away dude - it's not a problem.

AH, were it only that easy. LOL.

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Do you realize that Pepsi, KFC, and Taco Bell TMs are NOT owned by those entities. They are owned by YUM. That's just one example.

Further, those who think artists get royalties from their works can be sadly mistaken. The artists may or may not have any ownership. It would depend on what their contract states and/or who owns the copyright.

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Do you realize that Pepsi, KFC, and Taco Bell TMs are NOT owned by those entities. They are owned by YUM. That's just one example.

Further, those who think artists get royalties from their works can be sadly mistaken. The artists may or may not have any ownership. It would depend on what their contract states and/or who owns the copyright.


Those trademarks actually are owned by those entities.

Pepsi trademarks are owned by PepsiCo, Inc. PepsiCo is a stand-alone company with it's own stock and is not owned by Yum! brands

PepsiCo owned the Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, KFC rights until spinning them off and forming Tricon Global, Inc which in turn become Yum! Brands. While Yum! Brands holds and operates the aforementioned brands, the trademarks are still owned by the respective subsidiaries. Yum! is effectively a holding company.

Taco Bell trademarks are owned by Taco Bell Corp
KFC Trademark is owned by the KFC Corporation
Pizza Hut Trademark is owned by Pizza Hut, Inc

How do I know this? I worked for Frito-Lay for 7 years. Frito-Lay is a PepsiCo company. My brother is a 21 year Frito-Lay veteran. We both own the stock and keep tabs on what the company does.

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an answer on SGB needs to be forthcoming.
Me: "do you own the trademark to SGB?"
CB: "i'm not sayin'"
i then rip as no one owns it
CB: "i'm suing you for not getting permission for the trademark shift"
Me: "!%&@*%&#&@"

if the owner of the trademark is keeping it quiet and refusing to state they own it, can they really sue us for it?

we need to get permission ahead of time to avoid a suit, does SC own any other manu trademarks that we need to know about before ripping? MM, DK, anyone?

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an answer on SGB needs to be forthcoming.
Me: "do you own the trademark to SGB?"
CB: "i'm not sayin'"
i then rip as no one owns it
CB: "i'm suing you for not getting permission for the trademark shift"
Me: "!%&@*%&#&@"

if the owner of the trademark is keeping it quiet and refusing to state they own it, can they really sue us for it?

we need to get permission ahead of time to avoid a suit, does SC own any other manu trademarks that we need to know about before ripping? MM, DK, anyone?

Like I said, shady, and despicable. It would also seem that Harrington would want to help out his Forum Mates and let us all know what trademarks SC owns, so we wouldn't get sucked into legal wranglings.

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