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| Author: | MadMusicOne [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Karaoke Downloads |
....I've never bought any but I have read where some have. So, say a KJ buys them (he/she has proof of purchase, and believes there legal to use) in the U.S. for commercial use. Said KJ decides to retire and wants to sell their karaoke library. I'm probably just confused here but it's not legal to transfer or sell those downloaded karaoke purchased tracks, correct? |
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| Author: | earthling12357 [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
There was a similar discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=23074 Based on this news: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... -store.ars Apparently, if you legally own it, you can legally sell it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine |
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| Author: | MadMusicOne [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
earthling12357 wrote: There was a similar discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=23074 Based on this news: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... -store.ars Apparently, if you legally own it, you can legally sell it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine ...Yup, I think I read those. Oops, sorry? Still about as clear as muddy water. |
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| Author: | jclaydon [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
Well I asked this very same question to tricerasoft a while back, and He told me that there shouldn't be any problems as long as you don't keep a copy of the songs and you don't make a 'profit' *which I take to mean you can't sell the tracks for more than you paid for them* of of the digital songs and give the person your selling them to a bill of sale. However, for me personally to be 100% safe, if and when I sell all of my karaoke stuff it will be for the equipment and disks I have and I'll just throw in the digital tracks I have bought for 'free'. -James |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
That's funny, you make a 'profit' once you get paid to do a show. |
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| Author: | jclaydon [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
I think he meant a profit on the sale of the tracks.. In other words if you paid $200 to aquire those tracks, the most you should charge for them is $200. -James |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
I'm sure what they really meant was that you cannot resell (over and over again) the track purchased. You should be able to sell the track you purchased to someone else provided you erase the one you have. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
That I don't understand, if you want to sell a track you bought for 10X what you paid, that is your right to do so - that's free enterprise. But yes as long as you do not keep any copy of it anywhere. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
Lonman wrote: That I don't understand, if you want to sell a track you bought for 10X what you paid, that is your right to do so - that's free enterprise. But yes as long as you do not keep any copy of it anywhere. You've just gotten to the crux of the download problem. The person who sells a download will ALWAYS keep the downlad. The mfr. uploads to a distribution site- keeping the original. The disty site sells a copy of IT'S copy- keeping it's copy. The consumer sells copies of his download of the disty- keeping his copy of the disty's copy of his download- and why not? That's what the original mfr. did, right? ( For the record, it's not right- but you follow the thought process...) As soon as the mfr. uploaded a copy of the original, they pretty much screwed the pooch for that track. |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
JoeChartreuse wrote: Lonman wrote: That I don't understand, if you want to sell a track you bought for 10X what you paid, that is your right to do so - that's free enterprise. But yes as long as you do not keep any copy of it anywhere. You've just gotten to the crux of the download problem. The person who sells a download will ALWAYS keep the downlad. The mfr. uploads to a distribution site- keeping the original. The disty site sells a copy of IT'S copy- keeping it's copy. The consumer sells copies of his download of the disty- keeping his copy of the disty's copy of his download- and why not? That's what the original mfr. did, right? ( For the record, it's not right- but you follow the thought process...) As soon as the mfr. uploaded a copy of the original, they pretty much screwed the pooch for that track. I would think that selling used CDGs or downloads would be a bad thing. When you think about it, a person is buying used music. The manufactures aren't making money of that. Nobody makes royalties off used music. I remember hearing that the RIAA wanted to go after stores that were selling used CDs for that very reason. Let's say, you buy a used disc. You don't like it, or you get bored with it and sell it back. The store owner puts it back in stock and sells it again. Isn't that like piracy of a sort?? Now, you sell your Karaoke music, either disc or mp3g, then that guy gets out of the business and does the same thing. Now you have "generations" of karaoke guys buying this same set of discs, making money off them and never paying the manus a dime. What's the difference between that and multi-rigging one set of discs? What's the difference between that and downloading your music off a sharing site?? Now, let's say, before you sell all your music, you copy it so you can use it at home. Who's to stop you?? You paid for it all, it was yours to begin with. You aren't using it commercially anymore. It may not be right, it is not, technically an offence if only one person is making money doing shows with that music. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Karaoke Downloads |
Smoothedge69 wrote: I would think that selling used CDGs or downloads would be a bad thing. When you think about it, a person is buying used music. The manufactures aren't making money of that. The manus already made their money on the original sale. All that is being done is the ownership of that disc is being transferred to someone else - as long as the original owner didn't keep a copy, there is no loss to anyone. The disc is still the same disc that was originally sold, whether it's been sold once or 100 times. Quote: Nobody makes royalties off used music. Royalties are paid through PR organizations - doesn't matter if it's new or used. If the bar is paying those fees, the royalties are being distributed. Quote: I remember hearing that the RIAA wanted to go after stores that were selling used CDs for that very reason. Let's say, you buy a used disc. You don't like it, or you get bored with it and sell it back. The store owner puts it back in stock and sells it again. Isn't that like piracy of a sort?? How is it pircay? As long as copies of the disc were not made, there is no piracy in any manner. Again, the manus made their money off the original sale of that disc. Quote: Now, you sell your Karaoke music, either disc or mp3g, then that guy gets out of the business and does the same thing. Now you have "generations" of karaoke guys buying this same set of discs, making money off them and never paying the manus a dime. What's the difference between that and multi-rigging one set of discs? Big difference. Multirigging is making multiple copies of one set of discs. A disc that is bought & re-sold repeatidily is still the same original disc - never being used more than 1 time or 1 place at any given time.Quote: What's the difference between that and downloading your music off a sharing site?? Now, let's say, before you sell all your music, you copy it so you can use it at home. Who's to stop you?? You paid for it all, it was yours to begin with. You aren't using it commercially anymore. It may not be right, it is not, technically an offence if only one person is making money doing shows with that music. Once you copy anything THEN sell it is when it turns into piracy/stealing - Napster all over, most people had the same mentality until Metallica shut them down because it's downright theft. |
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