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....I was just surfing around and stumbled across this little 5 minute video. Figured I might share it here just to see what others think as it relates to the KJ Business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWBQeGDj ... re=related

...What do you think?

Smoothedge69

You asked "why can't the shut down the iRC channels where karaoke swapping in done", The answer is simple the american people see any type of control over the internet as censorship and raise hell. In order of them to be able to shut down IRC's they have top be able to see and block them as they exists all over the world.
you also asked "why can't they knock out the hard drive pirates?" They are ( take a look at the rouges gallery and news flash pages on KIAA site)...it is just a VERY slow CRIMINAL process involving the FBI and other organizations. It took them over 4 years to get Bene after SC gave them legal proof and he was a HUGE HD seller. People bark about how long the civil lawsuits are taking that SC starts...that wait is nothing compared to a criminal case

Athena

We have no way of knowing how many HD sellers SC may have brought civil suit against.

earthling12357 wrote:

Can a seller be made to halt their selling during any part of this procedure?

Yes, a temporary restraining order (and later, a preliminary injunction) is entered as part of the procedure.

Earthling,
If a civil case is being pursued at a certain point an injunction can be requested. If the Feds are handling the case they are going to take no action until they have All the evidence needed to put on the handcuffs and insure the sellers are going to spend a long time in jail.
Athena

Earthling,
Are you angry at the designers or drug companies who don't sue the knock off artists and let the feds take care of the matter?. Just asking
Athena

Yes, I really do think nothing is being done about those we repeatedly see.
They don't need to wait for a resolution to the case to do something about it.

HarringtonLaw wrote:

earthling12357 wrote:

Can a seller be made to halt their selling during any part of this procedure?

Yes, a temporary restraining order (and later, a preliminary injunction) is entered as part of the procedure.

If something was being done we would not see them selling still.

Maybe we should get Ted Nugent to speak out against karaoke piracy.

I am actually very serious about this....

There are a lot of causes out there and they have a tendency to get drowned out because there are so many of them. People are also desensitized to the issue because it has become a commonplace occurrence. Usually they don't receive much notice until something horrific happens ("Stand your Ground" law and Trayvon Martin) or until some celebrity of some sort makes it a priority. The key is that a light gets shined on the issue then attention is drawn to it until it reaches a tipping point and then action gets taken.

What we need to do is find an A-List celebrity (or several) that are karaoke fans and have them take the lead. (Psssst.....don't bother contacting Don Henley)

-Chris

chrisavis wrote:

He probably has a few pirate hard drives himself.......if he doesn't respect, rules for hunting, why would he care about rules for obtaining karaoke tracks.... :lol:

......his music certainly wouldn't make or break the karaoke industry.... :lol:

Author:	MadMusicOne [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:25 am ]
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....I was just surfing around and stumbled across this little 5 minute video. Figured I might share it here just to see what others think as it relates to the KJ Business. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWBQeGDj ... re=related ...What do you think?

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:47 pm ]
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MadMusicOne wrote: ....I was just surfing around and stumbled across this little 5 minute video. Figured I might share it here just to see what others think as it relates to the KJ Business. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWBQeGDj ... re=related ...What do you think? Ok, so if they can go after all these companies that make bogus goods and pirated software, why can't the shut down the iRC channels where karaoke swapping in done, and why can't they knock out the hard drive pirates?? That would solve the piracy problem without the audits and the fees for KJs.

Author:	karaokegod73 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:57 pm ]
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It would reduce piracy of new music. Still there's the cases of making 10 copies of one purchase.

Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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Smoothedge69 You asked "why can't the shut down the iRC channels where karaoke swapping in done", The answer is simple the american people see any type of control over the internet as censorship and raise hell. In order of them to be able to shut down IRC's they have top be able to see and block them as they exists all over the world. you also asked "why can't they knock out the hard drive pirates?" They are ( take a look at the rouges gallery and news flash pages on KIAA site)...it is just a VERY slow CRIMINAL process involving the FBI and other organizations. It took them over 4 years to get Bene after SC gave them legal proof and he was a HUGE HD seller. People bark about how long the civil lawsuits are taking that SC starts...that wait is nothing compared to a criminal case Athena

Author:	c. staley [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:09 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: Smoothedge69 You asked "why can't the shut down the iRC channels where karaoke swapping in done", The answer is simple the american people see any type of control over the internet as censorship and raise hell. In order of them to be able to shut down IRC's they have top be able to see and block them as they exists all over the world. you also asked "why can't they knock out the hard drive pirates?" They are ( take a look at the rouges gallery and news flash pages on KIAA site)...it is just a VERY slow CRIMINAL process involving the FBI and other organizations. It took them over 4 years to get Bene after SC gave them legal proof and he was a HUGE HD seller. People bark about how long the civil lawsuits are taking that SC starts...that wait is nothing compared to a criminal case Athena Your logic has a few gaping holes in it: As harringtonlaw has stated (repeatedly) actual "evidence" is not necessary, but nothing more than something like a "reasonable belief" that someone is infringing. Therefore, they demand discovery from KJ's with NO proof (as in "none") to sniff around their hard drives for these alleged counterfeit tracks... Right?..... So what is to prevent them from doing the VERY SAME with hard drive sellers? They can even do better.... they can buy a drive and have all the "evidence" they want right in their hands. It doesn't have to be criminal, it can be a civil action too. I see that Stellar has done exactly that -- what's the holdup with SC? Blaming it on the feds is simply a cop out... and solidifies that SC needs these HD sellers to create more "customers" they can sue.

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Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:36 pm ]
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Chip, Having a paralegal in the family I would think that you of all people would know the difference between the burden of proof needed in a civil case and a criminal one. Also you should be aware that any civil case that has a probability of leading to criminal prosecution would be "sealed" until the case was completed. We have no way of knowing how many HD sellers SC may have brought civil suit against.We also do not know if they have decided to just collect info and pass it on the correct department of the FBI/Homeland security to handle for criminal prosecution for any number of reasons. A number of the larger cases have been posted on this very forum and you have even commented on them (IE the Glass judgment and the Sterns Case) Those interested can see some info on big HD sellers at http://www.thekiaa.org/rogues-gallery.html Athena

Author:	earthling12357 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:59 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: We have no way of knowing how many HD sellers SC may have brought civil suit against. Sure, because it has been a big secret operation (as it should be if it exists), we can't know what is being done. But we can easily see the ones they are doing nothing about. Check the "flag this" thread. If anybody was in hot persuit of hard drive sellers with the purpose of ending these sales that thread would not and could not exist as it does with the same sellers over and over.

Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:08 pm ]
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earthling, Do you really think that no-one is doing anything about the HD sellers we see on the Flag them thread ? Please keep in mind it took over 4 years after SC turned over proof to the Feds before Bene AKA Dan Sterns faced the music. The Department responsible for these crimes are working on the HD sellers and it is unfortunate that we can not see the process. Every time on of these guys posts an ad and it is reported the tally is kept and the higher on the list they are the quicker they will be attended to. The Feds do work slowly however. Athena

Author:	Lone Wolf [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:19 pm ]
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Yep they work real slow that is unless your Ted Nugent and say something they don't like about our current president.

Author:	earthling12357 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:21 pm ]
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Yes, I really do think nothing is being done about those we repeatedly see. They don't need to wait for a resolution to the case to do something about it. HarringtonLaw wrote: earthling12357 wrote: Can a seller be made to halt their selling during any part of this procedure? Yes, a temporary restraining order (and later, a preliminary injunction) is entered as part of the procedure. If something was being done we would not see them selling still.

Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:25 pm ]
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Earthling, If a civil case is being pursued at a certain point an injunction can be requested. If the Feds are handling the case they are going to take no action until they have All the evidence needed to put on the handcuffs and insure the sellers are going to spend a long time in jail. Are you angry at the designers or drug companies who don't sue the knock off artists and let the feds take care of the matter?. Just asking Athena

Author:	chrisavis [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:53 pm ]
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Maybe we should get Ted Nugent to speak out against karaoke piracy. I am actually very serious about this.... There are a lot of causes out there and they have a tendency to get drowned out because there are so many of them. People are also desensitized to the issue because it has become a commonplace occurrence. Usually they don't receive much notice until something horrific happens ("Stand your Ground" law and Trayvon Martin) or until some celebrity of some sort makes it a priority. The key is that a light gets shined on the issue then attention is drawn to it until it reaches a tipping point and then action gets taken. What we need to do is find an A-List celebrity (or several) that are karaoke fans and have them take the lead. (Psssst.....don't bother contacting Don Henley) -Chris

Author:	earthling12357 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:08 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: Earthling, If a civil case is being pursued at a certain point an injunction can be requested. If the Feds are handling the case they are going to take no action until they have All the evidence needed to put on the handcuffs and insure the sellers are going to spend a long time in jail. Athena At a certain point? The truth is the appropriate certain point would be the beginning point. It starts with a temporary restraining order and leads to a permanent injunction. There is no reason to wait for final resolution to stop the continued selling. Are you suggesting that illegal behavior is being tolerated for time periods of up to four years and beyond after it is discovered? kjathena wrote: Earthling, Are you angry at the designers or drug companies who don't sue the knock off artists and let the feds take care of the matter?. Just asking Athena Is this your way of telling people my opinions should be discounted as invalid because I must be unreasonably angry? I'm actually more saddened by the injustice of the whole thing than angry about any of it. It might sadden me if a single drug company declared themselves the savior of the pharmaceutical industry, named themselves as the governing body to make decisions concerning my medicine, and made an effort to force my pharmacy to sell me only the drugs they want me to use while they recruit a dozen or so very vocal pharmacists to spread their propaganda in an effort to control the price I would have to pay for my drugs. And if that same drug company ignored all of the misinformation that their vocal recruits were spreading because it helped them to intimidate others into settling their lawsuits because their goal is to collect money, gain control, and avoid arguing a case in court, I would also consider that an injustice. Yeah, nobody should be angry with that...just answering. But, how would you know those drug companies aren't doing that already? After all, your point is there is no way to tell; we just have to have faith that it is happening.

Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:11 pm ]
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Earthling, I am in no way trying to discredit your opinions. I asked you a simple question. I am also saddened by the injustice of the whole piracy situation. Nobody recruited me....I choose to join the fight because I believe in it...no more and no less. When I have seen a problem and reported the problem it has been addressed. When I have posted something and later found it to be wrong I have also been woman enough to admit that I was wrong....I do not now nor have I ever intentionally posted misinformation on this or any other forum. Everyone has opinions and feelings on the issues.....at this time it is obvious what our feelings are. When the one company becomes the 3 largest US companies I suspect your feelings will spread to the other two as well. We will see a case in court...personally I wish we had seen one by now as much as you do Blessings Athena

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Author:	kjathena [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:13 pm ]
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Chris, I know someone contact Justin Beiber

Author:	rickgood [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:53 pm ]
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4 years? What? If I sell a big bag of weed to an undercover cop, they arrest me right there on the spot. I go to jail that day, either I post bail or stay in jail until my trial. I have a trial and I am sentenced. That doesn't take 4 frickin' years....

Author:	JimHarrington [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:01 pm ]
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earthling12357 wrote: Yes, I really do think nothing is being done about those we repeatedly see. They don't need to wait for a resolution to the case to do something about it. HarringtonLaw wrote: earthling12357 wrote: Can a seller be made to halt their selling during any part of this procedure? Yes, a temporary restraining order (and later, a preliminary injunction) is entered as part of the procedure. If something was being done we would not see them selling still. Just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean there isn't anything being done. Patience is a virtue.

Author:	ggardein [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:18 am ]
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chrisavis wrote: Maybe we should get Ted Nugent to speak out against karaoke piracy. I am actually very serious about this.... There are a lot of causes out there and they have a tendency to get drowned out because there are so many of them. People are also desensitized to the issue because it has become a commonplace occurrence. Usually they don't receive much notice until something horrific happens ("Stand your Ground" law and Trayvon Martin) or until some celebrity of some sort makes it a priority. The key is that a light gets shined on the issue then attention is drawn to it until it reaches a tipping point and then action gets taken. What we need to do is find an A-List celebrity (or several) that are karaoke fans and have them take the lead. (Psssst.....don't bother contacting Don Henley) -Chris He probably has a few pirate hard drives himself.......if he doesn't respect, rules for hunting, why would he care about rules for obtaining karaoke tracks.... ......his music certainly wouldn't make or break the karaoke industry....

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:05 pm ]
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ggardein wrote: chrisavis wrote: Maybe we should get Ted Nugent to speak out against karaoke piracy. I am actually very serious about this.... There are a lot of causes out there and they have a tendency to get drowned out because there are so many of them. People are also desensitized to the issue because it has become a commonplace occurrence. Usually they don't receive much notice until something horrific happens ("Stand your Ground" law and Trayvon Martin) or until some celebrity of some sort makes it a priority. The key is that a light gets shined on the issue then attention is drawn to it until it reaches a tipping point and then action gets taken. What we need to do is find an A-List celebrity (or several) that are karaoke fans and have them take the lead. (Psssst.....don't bother contacting Don Henley) -Chris He probably has a few pirate hard drives himself.......if he doesn't respect, rules for hunting, why would he care about rules for obtaining karaoke tracks.... ......his music certainly wouldn't make or break the karaoke industry.... Nugent would just threaten to shoot the pirates.

Author:	Lonman [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:52 pm ]
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I don't think Nugent is one of the karaoke friendly anyway. Not many tracks available to begin with & he did have alot more karaoke useable songs than are out right now.