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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Saw this on another forum.
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Wondering if karaoke is going to be worth the trouble at all anymore. It's only a matter of time they start going after individual KJ's for using the same discs that are being sold AND made by these retailers and manus!

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Lonman wrote:
Saw this on another forum.
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Wondering if karaoke is going to be worth the trouble at all anymore. It's only a matter of time they start going after individual KJ's for using the same discs that are being sold AND made by these retailers and manus!


I don't believe they're going to be going after individual KJs. Once they eliminate all the pirate manus, there won't be any new music. Karaoke will fade away all on its own.

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WOW!

It looks like every manufacturer is a pirate!


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Should we all return the product and ask for our money back? :twisted:


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Here are some of the tracks Warner is suing for being sold by the retailers - I guess there are 22 specific brands, here are just a few

Exhibit #4 - Chartbuster Titles:

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Exhibit #10 - Pocket Songs Titles:

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Exhibit #16 - Sound Choice Titles:

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Exhibit #21 - Sunfly Titles:

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

Exhibit #22 - Sing It Now (Stellar) Titles:

http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/05/29/d ... -05-21-12/

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...Great! Just freakin great! I know this isn't the first time and probably won't be the last but at what point does the government say enough is enough and either shuts all Karaoke down or develops a new Certification Program Process for anyone and everyone affiliated with the Karaoke Industry (Karaoke Manufacturers, Distributors, Retailers, KJ's, Commercial Venues, Copyright Holders).
....This really frustrates me because of some of the people I've chatted with and bought product from. "Thanks for purchasing our product and please continue helping us fight piracy. Guess I can scratch off another company. Thanks!
....I know others who have spent thousands and thousands of $$$ building their systems and music libraries (legally or we thought we were) but enough is about enough. Something has to give! I thought the air had been clearing and the only enemy was the Illegally Loaded Hard Drive Sellers and Users but apparently I was wrong, again.


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Here's an interesting twist to think about:

What if some of those unlicensed Soundchoice tracks are on the Gem sets still being sold by Soundchoice?

It makes sense then that Soundchoice will be somewhere on the to-do list for Warner/Chappell.

If Warner/Chappell sues soundchoice and the pattern of judgement continues, Soundchoice could be ordered to cease it's sales of the gem and recall unsold copies from their distributors. But since soundchoice doesn't actually sell the gem sets, and soundchoice retains ownership interest in every set they license, they could be forced to recall all of the gem sets they have distributed leaving the gem buyers with nothing. Those who traded in their discs for credit toward the purchase would really be screwed.

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Here's an interesting twist to think about:

What if some of those unlicensed Soundchoice tracks are on the Gem sets still being sold by Soundchoice?

It makes sense then that Soundchoice will be somewhere on the to-do list for Warner/Chappell.

If Warner/Chappell sues soundchoice and the pattern of judgement continues, Soundchoice could be ordered to cease it's sales of the gem and recall unsold copies from their distributors. But since soundchoice doesn't actually sell the gem sets, and soundchoice retains ownership interest in every set they license, they could be forced to recall all of the gem sets they have distributed leaving the gem buyers with nothing. Those who traded in their discs for credit toward the purchase would really be screwed.



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Here's an interesting twist to think about:

What if some of those unlicensed Soundchoice tracks are on the Gem sets still being sold by Soundchoice?

It makes sense then that Soundchoice will be somewhere on the to-do list for Warner/Chappell.

If Warner/Chappell sues soundchoice and the pattern of judgement continues, Soundchoice could be ordered to cease it's sales of the gem and recall unsold copies from their distributors. But since soundchoice doesn't actually sell the gem sets, and soundchoice retains ownership interest in every set they license, they could be forced to recall all of the gem sets they have distributed leaving the gem buyers with nothing. Those who traded in their discs for credit toward the purchase would really be screwed.

It all depends on when it was all licensed. If the GEM was indeed licesnsed when it came out, then there wouldn't be any issues. The complaint even states on the CB discs alone, any CB disc manufactured before April 2010 (I believe it said) was not licensed which leads me to believe that everything after that isn't an issue otherwise they would be going after all the stuff after 2010 as well.
I'm starting to lose faith in karaoke/karaoke manus/publishers and everything else associated with it. Might be time just to finally hang it up!

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Lonman wrote:
earthling12357 wrote:
Here's an interesting twist to think about:

What if some of those unlicensed Soundchoice tracks are on the Gem sets still being sold by Soundchoice?

It makes sense then that Soundchoice will be somewhere on the to-do list for Warner/Chappell.

If Warner/Chappell sues soundchoice and the pattern of judgement continues, Soundchoice could be ordered to cease it's sales of the gem and recall unsold copies from their distributors. But since soundchoice doesn't actually sell the gem sets, and soundchoice retains ownership interest in every set they license, they could be forced to recall all of the gem sets they have distributed leaving the gem buyers with nothing. Those who traded in their discs for credit toward the purchase would really be screwed.

It all depends on when it was all licensed. If the GEM was indeed licesnsed when it came out, then there wouldn't be any issues. The complaint even states on the CB discs alone, any CB disc manufactured before April 2010 (I believe it said) was not licensed which leads me to believe that everything after that isn't an issue otherwise they would be going after all the stuff after 2010 as well.
I'm starting to lose faith in karaoke/karaoke manus/publishers and everything else associated with it. Might be time just to finally hang it up!



Lonamn, I'm sure you've been through the "High-Tech Age" 2000-2012. I've been playing catch-up with the digital side for the last couple of years. Am sure you and others have experienced a lot of the Pirating Issues during that decade. I only wish that I would have studied the market before purchasing so much equipment and adding to my Music Library. If I had found forums like this one and others, I would have never gotten back in and immediately sold my older cdg collection and never looked back. Way too many issues and ya just about can't trust anyone!


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Wow from that list it looks like Chartbuster was one of the worst offenders.


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Let us bow our heads and give thanks to Sound Choice and Kurt Slep, whose stirring of the pot has aroused at least one sleeping giant, with - in all probability- more to come.

I can see "Cease and Desists" for KJs in the future, as I have warned- not that SC gives damn, as they are no longer a player in the business.

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It actually looks like SC IS currently infringing with the Gems. They are continuing to sell several of the listed songs, and it is noteworthy that they specifically mentioned that CB had licensed after April 2010. No such note was made about any of the other manus, including SC. Speaks volumes, I'd say.
I suspect that since SC legally owns the discs, and the plaintiff is currently asking for all copies of infringing items to be recalled, that when they get around to the other manus (including SC), they will do the same and so require all Gems to be turned in and/or destroyed.
Wonder how all those people who traded in their fully paid for discs feel now.
I knew all along it wasn't a smart idea to give away something you legally OWN and is fully paid for to cover a down payment on a rental. The math didn't add up then, and it doesn't add up now. And despite several of us giving fair warning, we were ignored and even ridiculed for pointing out what a bad decision it was.
Oh well. When all this is done, I will still have my discs.
ALL of them.
An no one can take them away.


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Let us bow our heads and give thanks to Sound Choice and Kurt Slep, whose stirring of the pot has aroused at least one sleeping giant, with - in all probability- more to come.

Just as I said before, thanks to Kurt for all this mess. You can only blame the KJ pirates so much and then you have to look to the big pirates. Sorry, cheerleaders, but you just can't avoid it this time.


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I don't think we can have it both ways. If we are going to be upset at the manufacturers for pirating then we can't be upset that the publishers are suing to remove the offending songs from the market. If that is what has been "brought down on our heads" then maybe it will lead to cleaning up the industry so when we buy "in good faith" that faith will be warranted. Right now, we are being held responsible to be legal with no good way to know what is and isnt'.


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So Let me get this straight. The Manus are Pirates themselves (Especially Red Beard Himself Capt Kurt Slept and His First mate Harrington) , 2 The gem series is a Lost cause ( good luck recooping the 4500 people) and are NOT legally usable as they are Not owned by the poor KJ who paid out the cash? Seems to Me I am glad I kept My Disk set. All the licensing is Older than 2010.
I feel Violated I could Potentially fallen Victim By Slept and Grimes for Buying Pirated tracks on Numerous Disks. And really glad I didnt cough up "protection Money"

Its Been like 2 Months since I stopped Publicly playing karaoke tracks,. Same Pay BTW people The People that pay me "Certified or Not" didnt want to Be involved with Karaoke anymore do to EVEN THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE they could ever be named.

I am a DJ first....KJ second.... karaoke was a Passion and Enjoyed singing to a crowd. Was never the Money. Sorry to See the Ship sinking. But Someone had to take Notice up high of the sue happy Manus going on Lawsuit fringe as a New Business. Especially some Artists that have friends in Karaoke Biz as a Host.


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What have I always said, many times on here...... :lol: ....can't believe it took so long in comming......


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I'm just going to keep playing everything I own a disc for and sit back and watch this to see what really happens...."not sure the sky is falling" maybe with the publishers in" the mix" we will see a bigger clean up in the industry...not the end of it.

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Athena I think the end is closer than you think. The Word Karaoke is Tainted. Your Favorite Manus have forever lost loyal Customers. Yeah Piracy to a small degree exists. Not Like 90% as stated By The Captain.

But I agree Use your legally Purchased disks as you feel. After all you paid for them. If it gets taken to court Fight it with your disk collection. Not sure it will work with some new labels saying illegal to transfer to a HD as I have seen in a couple threads.


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kjathena wrote:
...maybe with the publishers in" the mix" we will see a bigger clean up in the industry...not the end of it.

KjAthena


Bigger cleanup? That would be like hoping convicted drug dealers do a better job of helping with the war on drugs.

I think the only way karaoke has much of a future, is if the publishers stop licensing their music and start releasing karaoke tracks themselves. Question is would it be profitable enough for them?

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