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Author:  dave [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  How come only Sound Choice?
Even if you disagree with Sound Choice tactics--at least they are doing something
Why is digi-cloud or whatever they are called are surprisingly silent.Why are they making Sound Choice do all the work?
Author:  JoeChartreuse [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:16 am ]
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dave wrote:
Even if you disagree with Sound Choice tactics--at least they are doing something
Why is digi-cloud or whatever they are called are surprisingly silent.Why are they making Sound Choice do all the work?



You answered your own question with the first 4 words of your post.

Too many people disagree, including judges. Digitrax and other companies are active producers of new tracks for sale to karaoke customers, and don't want to lose their customer base.

SC's current business plan concentrates on litigation, for which there IS no customer base. They simply don't care about the negative feedback that they are generating.

In other words, in my opinion the other companies simply have better business acumen than SC had when they were producers of new tracks.
Author:  Insane KJ [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:53 am ]
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Dave,

Sound Choice is not the only company proceeding with litigation for violation of their products trademark.

Piracy Recovery LLC represents the Chartbuster trademarks and is very active in bringing forth litigation against those who allegedly have made counterfeit copies of CB content. Not only suing for trademark infringement like SC, but taking it a step further and suing for copyright infringement as well.

These lawsuits are not going away and the hits keep coming!
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:07 am ]
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Insane KJ wrote:
Dave,

Sound Choice is not the only company proceeding with litigation for violation of their products trademark.

Piracy Recovery LLC represents the Chartbuster trademarks and is very active in bringing forth litigation against those who allegedly have made counterfeit copies of CB content. Not only suing for trademark infringement like SC, but taking it a step further and suing for copyright infringement as well.

These lawsuits are not going away and the hits keep coming!


8) Maybe Insane you can explain to me how to get in contact with PR, since even James is saying you have to get in touch with DTE in order to get any information on Piracy Recovery LLC. You always say I don't do enough homework about this. The last listed correspondent for CB was Shauna M. Wertheim of the Marbury Law Group, PLLC, you know the company that filed on behalf of CB for their trademark back in 2009. I called her direct, when she got out of her firm's morning meeting she called me back. I asked if she could direct me to getting in contact with PR directly, she said no. Neither she nor her firm have handled anything for CB since their 2009 trademark filing. She knew nothing about obtaining any type of certification for CB product. She did confirm that the CB trademark if not renewed was due to expire next year, 5 years after the original filing date. She told me part of the renewal would involve the making of new CB product bearing the CB trademark. If no new product is made in two more years the CB trademark could be considered abandoned. Have an Insane day.
Author:  Kuelman1 [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:47 am ]
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It could be as simple as Sound Choice had the most to loose. Sound Choice tracks were/are some of the most pirated out there. They were recording high quailty tracks everyone had them but they were selling very few of them.

I do not agree on how they go after pirates but I understand why they do. If someone was stealing my products I guess I would be pretty pissed off myself. But I would not assume that every KJ useing my product was a pirate.
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:52 pm ]
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Insane KJ wrote:
Dave,

Sound Choice is not the only company proceeding with litigation for violation of their products trademark.

Piracy Recovery LLC represents the Chartbuster trademarks and is very active in bringing forth litigation against those who allegedly have made counterfeit copies of CB content. Not only suing for trademark infringement like SC, but taking it a step further and suing for copyright infringement as well.

These lawsuits are not going away and the hits keep coming!


do share
Author:  kjflorida [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:08 pm ]
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looks like the cat is out of bag. Anyone interested can check the legal sites like Justia or Pacer to find all the new IP lawsuits filed by Piracy Recovery LLC by simply typing the name in to the search function. Some do this on a regular basis. Almost a month should have seen most named already served
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:09 pm ]
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only found one in conjunction with Worldwide Digital Entertainment LLC.
cant find anything on who they are either.
http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=piracy+recovery+llc
are they really suing a private members club for copyright or am i reading that wrong?
Author:  kjflorida [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:21 pm ]
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"are they really suing a private members club for copyright or am i reading that wrong?"

Yes they are and suing for copyright and trademark. The entire document is an interesting read, worth paying for.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:22 pm ]
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
only found one in conjunction with Worldwide Digital Entertainment LLC.
cant find anything on who they are either.
http://dockets.justia.com/search?query=piracy+recovery+llc
are they really suing a private members club for copyright or am i reading that wrong?


8) It would seem that everything is happening in Tennessee Paradigm, DTE, PR, the summit Nashville this case is still one of these mass filings. I thought everything was supposed to be filed individually, oh that's right PR is new at this they don't have SC's experience. I wonder If our friend James is working on this also? Worldwide Digital Entertainment LLC is that another affiliated company like DTE? Have a blessed day.
Author:  JoeChartreuse [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:24 pm ]
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Insane KJ wrote:
Dave,

Sound Choice is not the only company proceeding with litigation for violation of their products trademark.

Piracy Recovery LLC represents the Chartbuster trademarks and is very active in bringing forth litigation against those who allegedly have made counterfeit copies of CB content. !


REALLY? Care to quantify the amount of cases PR has brought to court in the "Very active" role?

As I recall, there was one joint suit with SC, and one independent. That would be TWO WHOLE SUITS, per my math...., and no real gain for the company.

The REAL answer is that, after watching SC take several verbal beatings, admonitions, and insults by judges in court, PR is pretty much inactive, waiting and hoping for better outcomes in SC suits.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:50 am ]
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8) Just between you and me Joe I'm a little surprised by this new filing of PR in Tennessee May 17th 2013. Not surprised they finally did something but not having SC listed as filing with them, like the last joint suit they filed. Instead they have this Worldwide Digital Entertainment, LLC listed as a co plaintiff. This brings several ideas to my head, is Worldwide a company representing DTE as to not sully their name with the legal process? Has SC itself imploded and is now filing it's suits under a new name Worldwide? This whole legal process seems to have more layers than an onion. Pretty soon it would seem it is going to be more confusing than ever to determine just who is suing whom. Have a blessed day.
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:44 am ]
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i dont know who they are, the only Worldwide Digital Entertainment i can find is a gaming company.
maybe they are another paper company like PR?
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:13 am ]
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
i dont know who they are, the only Worldwide Digital Entertainment i can find is a gaming company.
maybe they are another paper company like PR?


8) One also has to remember Paradigm that PR makes nothing, when they go after a venue or host there will be no hope of a settlement concerning the leasing of any product, or staying out of the business. There will be no three options as with the SC legal process. It would seem that they are abandoning all rules and even suing non profit organizations such as the Moose Lodge, evidently they care nothing about their public relations. They can't even say the are recouping money for the injured party any more, merely to line the pockets of whoever happens to own the rights to the trademark. Have a blessed day.
Author:  chrisavis [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:18 am ]
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Wait a minute.....are you suggesting that non-profits should be given a free pass to steal? "Non-profit" doesn't mean they don't make any money. Especially if they are charging for food and drink at the lodge.

-Chris
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:27 am ]
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chrisavis wrote:
Wait a minute.....are you suggesting that non-profits should be given a free pass to steal? "Non-profit" doesn't mean they don't make any money. Especially if they are charging for food and drink at the lodge.

-Chris


8) What I'm suggesting is that it would be like suing the Church, Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. I think it would be very hard to find a jury that would find for a company that would start such suits. Why not just start suing the home users as well since that is where the majority of the theft as occurred, and the bulk of the loses? It is getting to the point of being ridiculous especially since PR cannot claim they are recovering money for the original injured manu. They are merely lining the pockets of whomever is in control of the trademark at the time. This is supposed to be justice? If it is and this is the way the industry is headed I would just as soon be retired. Any evils that SC might have done will only be magnified by this new level of legal process abuse. Even Insane as zealous as he might be has remarked going after non profit organizations would be a crazy thing to do. Have a blessed day.
Author:  chrisavis [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:37 am ]
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Santa and the Easter bunny don't exist....sorry to burst your bubble. Suing a church is perfectly acceptable when they do something wrong....and they do plenty wrong. Do a Bing Search on "lawsuit church" and you will find plenty of lawsuits and jury's to go with them.

Who said anything about Justice? I don't believe PR, LLC is in the business of justice. But again, we may find out more on the 20th.

If there were an efficient, foolproof means of identifying home based downloaders, I would support suing them all day long.

-Chris
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:48 am ]
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chrisavis wrote:
Santa and the Easter bunny don't exist....sorry to burst your bubble. Suing a church is perfectly acceptable when they do something wrong....and they do plenty wrong. Do a Bing Search on "lawsuit church" and you will find plenty of lawsuits and jury's to go with them.

Who said anything about Justice? I don't believe PR, LLC is in the business of justice. But again, we may find out more on the 20th.

If there were an efficient, foolproof means of identifying home based downloaders, I would support suing them all day long.

-Chris


8) So what are you saying Chris the ends justify the means, that we should turn over the legal process to a bunch of trademark bounty hunters? To give them a blank check to go after anyone and everyone they please? For anyone that has had a problem with the legal process so far, wouldn't that just turn them more against these legal remedies? Even you have said SC has approached the problem in the wrong way, are we further going to compound the situation, by allowing now Worldwide and PR, to go where even SC didn't? Talk about big brother, Oh brother. Have a blessed day.
Author:  timberlea [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:58 am ]
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So what are you saying Lone that people should be able to do whatever they like with someone's Trademark or Copyright? Should I be able to open a restaurant, call it McDonald's and use a golden arch?
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:09 am ]
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timberlea wrote:
So what are you saying Lone that people should be able to do whatever they like with someone's Trademark or Copyright? Should I be able to open a restaurant, call it McDonald's and use a golden arch?


8) In the case of McDonald's they are still in business providing both a service and a product. What is PR's purpose or now Worldwide Digital, do they make anything, other than manufacturer lawsuits? Have they learned anything from SC they are still mass filing these suits no doubt to save money? All it appears to me is some third party has managed to get control of the CB trademark in a manner even James can't tell us about, because it is none of our collective business. At least if McDonald's sues me some of the money is going back to the company. In the case of PR none of the money is going back to CB the original holder of the trademark, only to line the pockets of the trademark owner and the lawyers who represent that owner. Have a blessed day.
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