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Not sure about the US but in Canada when a Court here issues an order for the removal or destruction of property, sheriffs do it as a part of their jobs. I daresay that in the US, a similar organization (sheriffs or marshals or whatever) are tasked to ensure the court order is carried out. When they carry out the order they do not need a warrant to conduct the search, the order is the warrant. Of course Jim can correct me if I am wrong about American procedure.

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And if and when they do carry out that order, you don't think the Karaoke Community would get wind of it? Well, I haven't heard diddly! Aside from KJAthena (who said she needs to dig up the legal case on it), has anyone else heard a peep?

Why would you hear about it? The sheriffs around here enforce orders all the time and unless you are directly involved the chances of you hearing about it is pretty close to zero. The media is not interested in covering these things and many people subject to an order are very unlikely to raise a stink. So it's not surprising at all. I suppose if one is interested you can check records but unless you know where and when, that could take some time.

Remember not every call of your police or fire department is put in the papers.

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We (as in "The Karaoke Community") would hear about it, because we would notice known pirates suddenly gone. Or, we would hear one of those pirates raise a stink over it. These people have been in our faces, competing against us, some of them even our friends... you think we're not going to notice when they're gone, and/or hear about what happened? Tim, are you telling me there's TOTAL SILENCE when a pirate suddenly goes out of business, or when a pirate who boasted about having 100,000 plus songs in his/her library is suddenly reduced to less than 10,000 songs. People DO talk.

For the record, everything I said in the following thread over 2 years ago now now appears as if it were a prophesy...

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=20510

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actually, they would. using them in a show requires a paid audit.

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No it doesn't. Using the discs is the only way to NOT have to pay an audit. If SC were to implement that they can take their discs, that I already paid for, and stick em where the Good Lord Split em!!!

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maybe he meant it differently, with GEM's being talked about as well, i got confused.

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Not true, I personally know of one club that I used to freqent in Vancouver, BC that closed their doors to karaoke because of the letter that Soundchoice sent them.

since i no longer lived in vancouver and i felt that the host was an unethical scumbag i didn't feels as guilty reporting them.

-James

It wouldn't matter if SC were suing here or not (I wish they were), we are disc based and getting rid of SC material would be idiotic. If we ever decide to shift (which I doubt as it would be too time consuming), then we would abide with the rules. No big deal and very little cost.

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That is strange since SC has no power to enforce it's claim in Canada. The net result of all of that is a karaoke venue was lost and a job for a host was gone. What SC was hoping for was to make that host their new GEM buyer. This seems to be a net loser all the way around.

Still there is no pressure on you directly tim to do anything. If there were pressure you would have to at least have an audit of your material which currently you are not required to do, correct? It is always easy to say others should comply when you don't have to yourself.

So exactly why wouldn't SC have the power to be able to enforce their rights in Canada? If they did auditing and we decided to media shift, then we would pay the audit fees. It's just a part of doing business.

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Maybe not:A trademark registered solely in the U.S. is governed by the Lanham Act (Title 15 of the US Code), which is U.S. law. Obviously, U.S. trademark law isn't enforceable in other countries.
So maybe you are safe in Canada, EH.

It's done through International Treaty Laws and Agreements.

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Trademarking is not the topic of this thread.

-Chris

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Chris, Thanks for the reminder

Timber I ain't picking on you or any poster, I certainly get the most complete and honest information by reading posts on threads like this and on this web site and I know you guys are not BSing anybody, I lurk a lot, but some of you guys are saying SC has no business auditing or threatening lawsuits in Canada whether you're a KJ or venue. I thought these copyright laws were adopted in Sweden for ALL audio and video productions internationally. I still see a lot of downloaded HD's cheap from China on eBay when surfing for disc's and legitimate collection's and Craigs List.

I have a few KJ friends from my area that I lent a few disc's to download on their laptops. That was before I realized it was wrong to do, only a few songs off my CB custom disc's. I was new to karaoke at the time and didn't have programs of my own on my computer to download or reproduce a cdg disc or even had a program on my computer to use the disc. I bought one of them all in one cheap things from VocoPro, hate saying that name Vocopro, please don't cuss me out, I know the mistake I made. I do now of course on my own laptop probably not any different than the rest of you guys do. But I won't ever give my disc's again to anybody to copy and I won't ask for somebody else's disc's to download on my computer, never have, never will, too damned afraid of one song being pirated.

In real short when I started I noticed and read all SC's lawsuits some I guess they won, others caved as stated above, and even some SC lost. Pirates are thieves, and it is immoral to steal anything, especially to make money from it night after night. I see your points where the ones legitimate KJ pays full price for his collection and the ones caught get a break if they cave, it isn't fair. Not so sure of all the kudo's about SC's music being the nearest to the original recorded versions though or my hearing is going bad, I've found fault with several of SC's tracks, not with timing of lyrics, just the sound of the music and sometimes timing of the music itself, too fast or too slow. I have played in bands for over 35 years and notice the difference.

I have no problem with you who choose SC, and mine is my opinion. Half measures avails nothing and I personally believe SC should not have played "let's make a deal" but prosecute to the full extent of the law and keep the pirates out of business, like everything else, some day they (the pirates they caught and let off the hook will return someday, bad habits are hard to break). But SC made money just with the threats of a lawsuit, dollars to me is what this was/is all about, but not by legitimate sales of their product but the pirates. Again just my opinion!

I need to correct myself, the songs those friends of mine downloaded from my CB custom cd's were songs other cdg venues didn't have, such as Ray Price "Touch My Heart" and "Soft Rain" and a Merle Haggard "The Way I Am". They did it for me so I wouldn't have to bring my disc's when I went to their shows. But I have known it was wrong after I joined this site.

Only trouble is all the other countries have agreed to these international copyright laws and are followed in all the rest of the industrial world. Only two countries from what I understand have opted out and have kept their old outdated copyright laws, the U.S. and Canada. That is why I don't think you will see SC in Canada in a big way anytime soon.