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I just went to our Legal Dept. Our licenses are world wide except Japan in some cases.

-Gretchen

gretchen wrote:

I just went to our Legal Dept. Our licenses are world wide except Japan in some cases.

-Gretchen

I am guessing most will want a more in-depth explanation than that. What specifically can make THE DIGITRAX product world-wide and another one not?

***Post edited to make the question more specific

With the recent development of Select-a-Track blocking North American IP addresses (trivial to circumvent btw....more in a separate thread), it made me wonder if there was a reciprocal process going on.

If the EU/PRS licensing (supposedly) disallows the EU download sites from selling to North American buyers, does North American licensing disallow DigiTrax from selling to the EU (and other countries)?

If not, why not?

-Chris

Licensing is a very complicated dept. I am not in that dept so I cannot answer questions regarding other manus. I can ONLY tell you how our licenses are stated.

World Wide with some exceptions in Japan.

Chris...if you circumvent the block and download tracks you know are not licensed for use here what would be the legal ramifications?

I missed the indisputable information that says the state of the Selectatrack site is due to a shutdown based on some sort of legal issue...

sorry Smoothedge but here in the USA the publishers hold all the cards. They get to decide what each kind of licencing will cost and if they will licence songs at all in the USA...Why would they accept a couple of pennies per track overseas when they can demand and get dimes or quarters here?

buy'um while you can :mrgreen:

kjflorida wrote:

Chris...if you circumvent the block and download tracks you know are not licensed for use here what would be the legal ramifications?

I actually don't know that the tracks they sell aren't licensed for use here as I am unable to view their licensing information now.

Regardless, the restriction is on their sales, not on my purchase.

As far as I know, it is Select-a-Track that is now restricted, for whatever reason, from selling directly to North American Buyers. I am not however restricted from buying that same material via legal, acceptable means. The burden is on them to make a good faith effort to block sales to impacted regions. There is no restriction on me, the end user, from acquiring the material legally.

Which begs for your answer to this question: Are you suggesting that a UK based karaoke host who has invested thousands of dollars on karaoke music from Select-a-Track, can't use that music if they relocate to the U.S.?

-Chris

buy'um while you can :mrgreen:

for clarification I use the green smiley as a "I told you so"...and yes I am that kind of person :mrgreen:

Author:	chrisavis [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:13 am ]
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With the recent development of Select-a-Track blocking North American IP addresses (trivial to circumvent btw....more in a separate thread), it made me wonder if there was a reciprocal process going on. If the EU/PRS licensing (supposedly) disallows the EU download sites from selling to North American buyers, does North American licensing disallow DigiTrax from selling to the EU (and other countries)? If not, why not? -Chris

Author:	gretchen [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:25 am ]
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I just went to our Legal Dept. Our licenses are world wide except Japan in some cases. -Gretchen

Author:	doowhatchulike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:33 am ]
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gretchen wrote: I just went to our Legal Dept. Our licenses are world wide except Japan in some cases. -Gretchen I am guessing most will want a more in-depth explanation than that. What specifically can make THE DIGITRAX product world-wide and another one not? ***Post edited to make the question more specific

Author:	gretchen [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:46 am ]
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Every License is different. You will have to check with the other Manus.

Author:	doowhatchulike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:53 am ]
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Please read edited question above...

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Author:	kjflorida [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:13 pm ]
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doowhatchulike wrote: gretchen wrote: I just went to our Legal Dept. Our licenses are world wide except Japan in some cases. -Gretchen I am guessing most will want a more in-depth explanation than that. What specifically can make THE DIGITRAX product world-wide and another one not? ***Post edited to make the question more specific I suspect the agreement from the publishers included in the signed contract is what makes the diffrence. PRS licencing specifically excludes the USA and Canada from the licencing Hench those tracks not being legal here.

Author:	kjflorida [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:15 pm ]
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chrisavis wrote: With the recent development of Select-a-Track blocking North American IP addresses (trivial to circumvent btw....more in a separate thread), it made me wonder if there was a reciprocal process going on. If the EU/PRS licensing (supposedly) disallows the EU download sites from selling to North American buyers, does North American licensing disallow DigiTrax from selling to the EU (and other countries)? If not, why not? -Chris Chris...if you circumvent the block and download tracks you know are not licensed for use here what would be the legal ramifications?

Author:	gretchen [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:21 pm ]
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Licensing is a very complicated dept. I am not in that dept so I cannot answer questions regarding other manus. I can ONLY tell you how our licenses are stated. World Wide with some exceptions in Japan.

Author:	doowhatchulike [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:28 pm ]
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gretchen wrote: Licensing is a very complicated dept. I am not in that dept so I cannot answer questions regarding other manus. I can ONLY tell you how our licenses are stated. World Wide with some exceptions in Japan. But who is it that "certifies" them that way? I have never heard of any world-wide certifier being mentioned here before...

Author:	chrisavis [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:31 pm ]
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kjflorida wrote: Chris...if you circumvent the block and download tracks you know are not licensed for use here what would be the legal ramifications? I actually don't know that the tracks they sell aren't licensed for use here as I am unable to view their licensing information now. Regardless, the restriction is on their sales, not on my purchase. As far as I know, it is Select-a-Track that is now restricted, for whatever reason, from selling directly to North American Buyers. I am not however restricted from buying that same material via legal, acceptable means. The burden is on them to make a good faith effort to block sales to impacted regions. There is no restriction on me, the end user, from acquiring the material legally. Which begs for your answer to this question: Are you suggesting that a UK based karaoke host who has invested thousands of dollars on karaoke music from Select-a-Track, can't use that music if they relocate to the U.S.? -Chris

Author:	timberlea [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:08 pm ]
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If there is no government regulation, then the Rights holders certifies them. For example Band A can certify it for world wide, Europe only or any combination of countries or zones.

Author:	Lonman [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:41 pm ]
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doowhatchulike wrote: I missed the indisputable information that says the state of the Selectatrack site is due to a shutdown based on some sort of legal issue... It would only make sense that they would follow in the footsteps of other UK sites that are starting to block US IP's for purchase. Plus kjflorida said in the other thread that he talked with them and that the licensing is the reason they are down right now and updating their sites to block US.

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:50 pm ]
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It's all such B.S. It's time the U.S. gets with the program and change the laws to match countries with more simple laws. All this talk about free markets and this country has to create a situation where it is illegal to download music from a different country. What a crock!! With stuff like this going on, and all the gridlock in Washington, and all the nonsense going on in the different states I am almost ashamed to call myself an American.

Author:	kjathena [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:05 pm ]
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sorry Smoothedge but here in the USA the publishers hold all the cards. They get to decide what each kind of licencing will cost and if they will licence songs at all in the USA...Why would they accept a couple of pennies per track overseas when they can demand and get dimes or quarters here? buy'um while you can

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Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:15 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: sorry Smoothedge but here in the USA the publishers hold all the cards. They get to decide what each kind of licencing will cost and if they will licence songs at all in the USA...Why would they accept a couple of pennies per track overseas when they can demand and get dimes or quarters here? buy'um while you can Oh, I certainly am, Athena. What annoys me is that some of you here just accept it with a smile. We, as host, should DEMAND laws that even the playing field. I have heard it said that there are 30,000 KJs in this country. That should be a sufficient lobby to get some laws changed. Instead of worrying about pirates, we should get the damn laws changed to favor US rather than the publishers!!! Nothing but a bunch of greedy...................................!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:54 pm ]
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chrisavis wrote: kjflorida wrote: Chris...if you circumvent the block and download tracks you know are not licensed for use here what would be the legal ramifications? I actually don't know that the tracks they sell aren't licensed for use here as I am unable to view their licensing information now. Regardless, the restriction is on their sales, not on my purchase. As far as I know, it is Select-a-Track that is now restricted, for whatever reason, from selling directly to North American Buyers. I am not however restricted from buying that same material via legal, acceptable means. The burden is on them to make a good faith effort to block sales to impacted regions. There is no restriction on me, the end user, from acquiring the material legally. Which begs for your answer to this question: Are you suggesting that a UK based karaoke host who has invested thousands of dollars on karaoke music from Select-a-Track, can't use that music if they relocate to the U.S.? -Chris Select-A-Trac may just be rebuilding their website, like the message says. SF, SBI, and Zoom are still selling to us. I just bought a song from each and had no problem. There is still Tricerasoft, too. SBI's version of N.I.B. sounds like a DK song. It has that silly keyboard guide. I am going tokeep checking on S-A-T every day, to see if anything changes.

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:07 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: buy'um while you can Why does it look like it makes you happy that they MAY be trying to restrict our buying UK music? You put that smiley there like it's such a wonderful thing that is going on. If we get cut off from that source of music it will be a TERRIBLE thing. Then we will be stuck buying the junk that is being made here. NO THANKS!! Or we may be FORCED to buy SC, which I would be fine with IF they were to get the licensing to allow downloads. Until I have a way to buy single songs from them I will not be a customer of theirs. Using the UK sites and Tricerasoft, I have been able to please just about every customer who has asked for a song that I didn't have................immediately!!! THAT is the way Karaoke should be done!!! That is what deserves

Author:	kjathena [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:51 pm ]
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for clarification I use the green smiley as a "I told you so"...and yes I am that kind of person

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:52 pm ]
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kjathena wrote: for clarification I use the green smiley as a "I told you so"...and yes I am that kind of person You know what I have to say to that???