I just wanted to let you know that they are coming. Right now we do not have a set cost. We are still meeting about it all. The Certification will be good for two years. You will have a Certificate to display. You will also be listed on a legal KJ website.

I have to say that I am tired of hearing about "legal KJs". Just because you hold a certificate, doesn't mean there is anything legal about it, or that if you don't hold a certificate you are an illegal KJ. Use the words DTE compliant, or DTE certified. Legal tells people that the KJ is a criminal even if they are not.

I agree completely. By directing people to a website that says, "here is a list of Legal KJs," you are implying that if your name is not on the list, you are not running a show legally. This is one of the misconceptions which SC did in passing out their literature to venues (and hardly made any mention about ODB KJs).

I would like to add, that in stating here is a list of "DTE Compliant KJs," it should be stated clearly what "DTE Compliant" means. It should indicate that if the KJ has any CB/DTE/Karaoke Cloud content, he/she had all of those tracks examined by DTE, and has proven them to be ok for use in a show. DTE should also indicate an acknowledgement that not all KJs use CB/DTE/Karaoke Cloud tracks in their show, and that should have NO BEARING as to whether said KJ is operating legally or not. DTE should also CLEARLY state that just because a KJ is NOT listed on their site, does NOT MEAN they are operating illegally. DTE can then state something about ODB KJs and PC Operated KJs, and what they should be on the lookout for. There's probably a better way to word this, and I'm sure someone can state it a little more simply.

Nowhere on SC website does it state anything other than the kj's listed on their cert page did so of their own accord and licensed GEM owners or prior issues resolved. Nowhere I saw they stated or indicated anyone else not on that site was illegal.

Not true Smoothedge....we have 3 ODB hosts and 1 host that has pulled SC/CB and Stellar in out" little group " and we recommend each other to all to venue owners looking for hosts. So stating that we have worked it so only certified hosts can get work is WRONG..I do not care if a host is certified/disc based/or non SC/CB/Stellar users as long as they are NOT pirating.

I have looked at this many times over and the only way I can see people misinterpreting this as "Sound Choice implies you are illegal if you aren't on this list" is if your mind is already made up that it means that. Any reasonable person will understand exactly what that page is meant to convey.

-Chris

And we go back full circle to 3 years ago... again.

I agree that there is nothing shady about the listings on that page which you pointed out. BUT, who is directing the (potential) hiring venues to go look at that URL with the KJ listings? And, what are they saying when they direct you to look it up? What are they NOT saying when they tell you to look it up?

Cueball may have a point....an unscrupulous host could spin the issue and mislead the venue owners.....much like those who tell venues they don't have to pay all the alphabets.

....and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about what is said by the people pointing to the page.

I'm not just referring to unscrupulous hosts. I am ALSO referring to the Manufacturer directly. By telling a Venue that they must hire legitimate/legal hosts, and then by directing them to look at the URL provided with a list of those KJs, it is NOT telling them all the proper information. And most of what the Manufacturer emphasizes is about PC Operated KJs. Then, by adding an, "oh by the way, ODB KJs fall into a totally different class," while still emphasizing one to check their list of legally operated KJs, makes it more of an afterthought (and it doesn't really register in one's mind when most of the focus is placed on the PC Operated KJ).

See Athena... even you automatically jumped to a conclusion that it could be some "unscrupulous" host that could spread the word and put the wrong idea in a Venue Manager's mind. You seem to have conveniently left out (or omitted) the possibilities about how a Manufacture may be emphasizing their website page to the Venue. And Chris, you're just as guilty of this (in your post above), because you presented a generalized point which mentions you can't control what people say or don't say, but left that statement rather vague as to which people you might be referring to. Omitting the detail that it could be a Manufacturer, is almost like the Manufacture saying, "Go look at my web page, and you will see a list of who is safe for you to hire" (I'm not listed on that web page. Does that mean I am not safe to be hired?????).

again... full circle back to 3 years ago (like we ever stopped repeating ourselves in all of that time)... Didn't this horse die 10 times over and reincarnate to a higher being yet?

I was not intentionally vague, nor did I omit anything. I carefully typed exactly what I typed.

With all due respect, Cue, you have been stomping your feet about this issue for a long while now. I would give your argument some credibility if you actually had a horse in the game. To the best of my knowledge you still only run a handful of karaoke programs a year. To the best of my knowledge, you are not running a karaoke business. To the best of my knowledge, you do not derive any significant income from karaoke. To the best of my knowledge, you aren't impacted in the slightest by any of this anyway because you are an ODB host.

No one but Sound Choice can do anything about how Sound Choice frames that page.

More importantly, you are stomping your feet at the wrong people. If you don't like the page and how Sound Choice portrays it, then take it up with Sound Choice. With the exception of Mr. Harrington, there is absolutely no one on these forums that can do anything about what you are complaining about and given that James hasn't proctored a change in the past two years, it seems to me you need to take it up directly with Kurt.

ODB host.

Cueball,
I do not feel I jumped to any conclusion. I was trying to see things from your veiwpoint and trying to see your concern. I personally feel that the website is VERY well setup up and self explanatory if a venue bothers to read it....however I was also stating that an deceptive host could mislead and color the venues perception...IF the venue owner did not bother to READ the website.