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so i was debating on weather i should post this or not, because technically my method does violate the TOS of the karaokechannel. But i am posting this for educational purposes. You'll have to decide if you are ok with the legal implications for your business on your own. From a moral standpoint, i believe this is the best option because:

1. You are compensating the current copyright holder of the musical works
2. You are still following the spirit of the agreement in the HELP program

So here is my idea

1. Sign up for the new HELP program
2. Search for the karaoke channel version of a background track thru itunes
3. Purchase and download the track
4. Covert it to the musical format you wish *i used 320K mp3*
5. Obtain a copy of the original sounchoice karaoke track, their will be two parts, the music and the .cdg graphic file
6. open the soundchoice music file in audacity and note the exact the time reference that is in the bottom corner for when the music actually starts.
7. Cut the end silence at the end of the track using ctrl+x
8. open the sound file you converted from karaoke channel
9. choose the 'generate silence" feature and type in the number that you noted from the other track. This should insert the exact same amount of silence at the beginning of the current tack, as was in the soundchoice file
10. Use the paste feature to pate the end silence of the soundchoice track to the end of your current *karaoke channel* track
11. Export the song and pair it with the graphic file that you got from the soundchoice song.
12. Delete the soundchoice files that you downloaded.

You now should have a working OOP karaoke track that you have paid for thru karaoke channel and the help program.


Now i haven't tried it yet, but you may be able to save a lot of work and steps by going to thekaraokechannel.com and purchasing the karaoke version of the song, then just pair the soundchoice graphic file with the karaokeversion song.

The reason i used itunes is because the song i wanted and used to try this method wasn't available from the website

-James

Why are you not simply using the SC obtained music file? Are you talking about obtaining the torrent less than 192 sc files?

Well you have to admit, it would be a hell of a lot easier than trying to find a super rare OOP soundchoice disc.

I'm not knocking it, I'm just trying to figure out what the goal here is. I've bought a few KV songs and added graphics. If you were going with the SC monthly plan, you could always get the torrents, load the mp3 and save it to a higher bit rate. That's if you don't mind the current quality. It would not really increase the quality but it would pass inspection.

The goal is to

1. Obtain a clean graphic file that you don't own a disc for but are paying for thru the help program
2. Since soundchoice doesn't own the copyrights to the majority of their catalog anymore, if you download from a torrent site and USE those tracks, you are still committing copyright infringment against stingray/karaoke channel. This method will at least allow you to compensate them for the use of the sound recording
3. The sound file will be BETTER than 99% of the material you can find on torrents

I agree and I see your thought process now. Thanks

Well here we are finally, piracy 1,2,3. So now some folks have no problem with piracy? If you "obtain" a product and use it for profit, what is it called now that you can pay a fee and use it. Guess that green lights all the other tracks that are out of business? The hypocrisy here is stunning.

While I am impressed by the creativity of this approach, it would be against the terms of the HELP license agreement. You are not permitted, under that agreement, to add the SC logo to any track that does not already have it.

How about I sell you my OOP disc for say $25.00 send it to you and you rip it then sell it back to me for $20.00. If I did this say 5 times then the original disc would have paid for it's self and I would still own it.

If you have the help license they don't care where you get it from as long as it meets the requirement.

Now you have a quality rip of a full disc and it only cost you $5.00.
A guy with an original Eagle's disc could make a killing, as long as both parties were on the up and up and agreed to sell and send it back.

You haven't pirated it as you owned the disc ripped it and then sold it.

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Curses, shot down again.. and I thought it was a pretty brilliant idea, as far as trying to do the right thing goes. At least everyone got paid for the use of their property.

I had figured since most of the tracks from karaokechannel were original soundchoice material, and they had originally born the soundchoice mark, they just removed them and added their own. That it would be ok. *sigh*

Thank you for the compliment tho


-James

Interesting, but i think that would violate the terms of being a certified host, which i plan on becoming as soon as it is available because currently the HELP program is not available to canadians

James was attempting to some how apply moral logic to an immoral project. I have never been to a torrent site and never plan to.

The goal of copyright law in terms of music is for one basic purpose to make sure that people PAY for the music that they use, everything else is secondary

If it weren't for the fact that Mr. Harrington corrected me, then I don't see how anyone's rights are being violated in spirit.

Unless i am missing someone, everyone involved gets paid

1. Soundchoice/PEP wants to be compensated for the use of their mark on a computer. check
2. Stingray deserves to be compensated for the use of there property. check
3. The original music producers are compensated for the public performance thru PRO fees from the big 3 in the US and SOCAN in Canada.

Nobody was getting screwed here. And even after all that, IF i managed to find the disc at a later date, i would STILL replace the files. My concience is/would have been clean.

Unfortunately it is all moot now. Mr. Harrington has stated that this would be a violation of the HELP program, so my arguement that it covers the trademark is invalidated. Personally, i think it covers the spirit of the argreement *ie "We don't care where you got the tracks from* but Jim is the lawyer, i will defer to his training and expertese.

-James

And yet the technical solution is so elegant it's a shame to let it go to waste.

A legal application of the same technique may be of help to anyone who shops regularly for mp3+g tracks at KV.

If their Karaoke Version of a song comes with, for example, a background singer you don't want to hear, or too little volume on the piano, you can also buy their Custom Backing Track for the same song (different tab at the same website), customizing it as you choose before downloading the finished mp3. (It's rather fun playing with their online mixing console.)

Then exactly as suggested above, open the first mp3 that came with the Karaoke Version and measure the opening silence. Save that number.

Now open the customized mp3 you purchased second, and pad the front of it with the same amount of silence. Resave.

Swap the file names between the two mp3's.

Voila, now you can play the karaoke track with your customized mp3. As long as the opening silence is the correct length the graphics will stay in synch, because they were the same identical mp3 to start except for that bit of silent padding.

I don't believe there could be any illegality to that, as you purchased ALL the files, and from the same manufacturer.

You DO end up paying for the same song twice, and the Custom Backing Track costs almost twice what the karaoke track did: you end up paying $8 for one song. So you'd only want to do this for a song you are going to sing yourself, and then only if you REALLY hate that background vocal!

I have a few of their tracks where I mixed with full vocals, no vocals and 30%. I use the full to learn the song from the start, the 30% to refine, then I can move to the no vocals. Its also handy if you add your own CDG.