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I had an ex-employee email me that he saw Sound Choice torrents with guaranteed 192br and pristine graphics for download. So I was wrong, they are not selling them, they are giving them away. Poster is called the RG (not me)

So from what I read in Chris' question and James reply it looks like if you could run around town borrowing discs from friends and what ever that you could rip them, join help and be OK with SC.

The way I understand it is that no discs are necessary at all for HELP - at least from the PEP side of things.

Just buy into HELP, find some 192k+ MP3+G's with solid graphics, and you are done.

You would only need discs if the publishers come knocking.

chrisavis wrote:

Didn't we already deduce this information when James first posted about the HELP program 2 months ago?

cueball wrote:

chrisavis wrote:

Didn't we already deduce this information when James first posted about the HELP program 2 months ago?

Yes, but there are people who should know better that are still getting it wrong. (not necessarily on this forum btw).

I did. I won, though it was a one sided bet.

Author:	chrisavis [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:52 am ]
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James....I am trying to settle a bet..... https://pep.rocks/help_ol_agreement.pdf That is the standing license for the PEP HELP program. In my reading of this, I believe I understand what license and permissions it grants. But my questions is more along what is required of the operator under the HELP agreement. At no place does the agreement explicitly state that the licensee own or possess discs for any of the tracks the license covers. Other verbiage on the PEP site says - "The tracks you use come from original Sound Choice-branded CD+G discs. The HELP program does not grant you the right to obtain tracks from other than original discs, but our program does not require proof of disc ownership or 1:1 correspondence. Where you source the tracks you use is up to you. Bear in mind obtaining tracks other than from original discs may constitute copyright infringement, which you commit at your own risk." As noted, the license doesn't grant the licensee any permission to obtain the tracks from anything but discs, but since there is no audit or other check involved, ultimate, where the tracks come from is manged solely by the KJ and they accept all risk for where they come from. Ultimately though, there is nothing in the HELP license that explicitly requires a KJ to own or possess any of the discs for tracks that are covered under the license agreement......is this correct? Effectively, PEP will not beck checking for those discs, so the risk assumed by the KJ is that an upstream publisher would be the entity that MIGHT inquire as to ownership or possession of the material.......is this correct?

Author:	JimHarrington [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:03 am ]
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We don't check for discs as part of the HELP license, which is strictly a trademark license with certain quality controls. A HELP licensee who commits copyright infringement does so at his/her own risk.

Author:	rickgood [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:06 am ]
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I had an ex-employee email me that he saw Sound Choice torrents with guaranteed 192br and pristine graphics for download. So I was wrong, they are not selling them, they are giving them away. Poster is called the RG (not me)

Author:	JimHarrington [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:39 am ]
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rickgood wrote: I had an ex-employee email me that he saw Sound Choice torrents with guaranteed 192br and pristine graphics for download. So I was wrong, they are not selling them, they are giving them away. Poster is called the RG (not me) Who is "they" in your story?

Author:	jclaydon [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:18 am ]
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Actually if you want to get really technical anyone who uses mutiple copies of karaoke tracks from one set of discs is still committing copyright infringement by my limited understanding... So the argument is kinda pointless -james

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Author:	rickgood [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:22 pm ]
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James, the people who pirate and reproduce Karaoke tracks on hard drives and sell them.

Author:	Lone Wolf [ Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:51 am ]
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So from what I read in Chris' question and James reply it looks like if you could run around town borrowing discs from friends and what ever that you could rip them, join help and be OK with SC.

Author:	mrmarog [ Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:12 am ]
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Lone Wolf wrote: So from what I read in Chris' question and James reply it looks like if you could run around town borrowing discs from friends and what ever that you could rip them, join help and be OK with SC. "www.CdgsForRent.com" local only.... see our add for a location near you.

Author:	chrisavis [ Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:54 pm ]
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The way I understand it is that no discs are necessary at all for HELP - at least from the PEP side of things. Just buy into HELP, find some 192k+ MP3+G's with solid graphics, and you are done. You would only need discs if the publishers come knocking.

Author:	Cueball [ Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:03 pm ]
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chrisavis wrote: The way I understand it is that no discs are necessary at all for HELP - at least from the PEP side of things. Just buy into HELP, find some 192k+ MP3+G's with solid graphics, and you are done. You would only need discs if the publishers come knocking. Didn't we already deduce this information when James first posted about the HELP program 2 months ago?

Author:	chrisavis [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:45 am ]
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cueball wrote: chrisavis wrote: The way I understand it is that no discs are necessary at all for HELP - at least from the PEP side of things. Just buy into HELP, find some 192k+ MP3+G's with solid graphics, and you are done. You would only need discs if the publishers come knocking. Didn't we already deduce this information when James first posted about the HELP program 2 months ago? Yes, but there are people who should know better that are still getting it wrong. (not necessarily on this forum btw).

Author:	mrmarog [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:57 am ]
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chrisavis wrote: cueball wrote: chrisavis wrote: The way I understand it is that no discs are necessary at all for HELP - at least from the PEP side of things. Just buy into HELP, find some 192k+ MP3+G's with solid graphics, and you are done. You would only need discs if the publishers come knocking. Didn't we already deduce this information when James first posted about the HELP program 2 months ago? Yes, but there are people who should know better that are still getting it wrong. (not necessarily on this forum btw). Chris, Did you settle your bet?

Author:	chrisavis [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:39 pm ]
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I did. I won, though it was a one sided bet.

Author:	Cueball [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:52 pm ]
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chrisavis wrote: I did. I won, though it was a one sided bet. So... what did you win? I hope it's a good Surf and Turf dinner.

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