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Now I know why the Siglos Karaoke player has become so popular.....

It has the ability to search YouTube for karaoke videos and display them directly to the singer display without any muss or fuss.

It can even download the YouTube files, convert them to MP4 and store them locally for offline playback (in a folder named "Karaoke From YouTube" no less!). No Internet connection required.

So with all due respect to the folks at PowerKaraoke, creating COMMERCIAL software that includes features to enable if not encourage people to undermine the industry is just idiotic.

I often say that YouTube DJ's and KJ's are the lowest of the low. Unfortunately this application helps legitimize them AND do so in a manner that even makes them look good doing it. It is completely seamless.

This feature sets barrier for entry into the karaoke business to absolute zero.

Mind boggling........utterly mind boggling.

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-Chris

Talk about low life!!!!! That kind of stuff is of zero good for our teetering business. Someone needs to slap them down, but who?

I wrote them an email explaining why it is a bad feature and asking them to remove it. I don't imagine they will. No matter, the pee is already in the pool.

I only found the feature after taking another look at the software because of local KJ recommendations and knowing the Siglos was growing in popularity locally.

Now I understand why.....

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-Chris

There goes the hard drive sales....

I will stick with Karma. I used to use Karaoki. It was a nightmare. It would glitch out, just about every night. Since I bought Karma, I have had only ONE crash. All I did was a restart and all was well.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

Siglos is growing in popularity because it is a great program, i doubt the youtube option has much to do with it.
though it really doesn't help things any

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

...Well, as for me, I purchased the RoxBox Player back in 2009, as I was already using Frank's ripping software. Since RoxBox couldn't play cdgs, I changed to a software that would play cdg's because of SC's policy although the fact I didn't agree some of SC's agreement. Later on, I ended up purchasing Siglos Professional Player because it would play cdgs.

... I've chatted with several software developers of karaoke software, over the years, I have no ties or investments with any of them. To me, I just wanted a good software that would help me run shows to the best of my ability.

...In conclusion, I don't blame any of them for piracy. Those software companies didn't load up hard drives with illegal content.

...At one time, a couple of years ago like others before me, I even came up with an idea of combating piracy but it was laughed at, so no biggie.

...As far as calling out Siglos, for commercial use (since no one seems to care and although I don't agree with what they're doing) I guess that's the way it is? However, what's the difference between an illegally loaded hard drive, streaming, etc and using any other software (including Karma)? Are ya gonna blame them when someone is using their "player software" with their illegally obtained tracks? Just wondering ...

There is no enforcement by anyone of YouTube Karaoke in a commercial setting. There's nobody to report it to, so nothing will ever be done. Just like playing mp3s you bought from Itunes, "against the rules" but I've done it and will continue to do it since I paid for the songs. As long as karaoke survives there will be folks trying to get into the business in the cheapest manner possible. Soon the playing field will be level because no one will be paying for karaoke.

I am not going to comment on how good or bad Siglos may or may not be other than to say I am not a fan of any multi-window applications. I prefer apps that do all of their work in a single window. Otherwise, I am sure it is a great hosting app.

Regardless, I can't support a company that is going to open the door they way they have to undermine legitimate karaoke hosts.

I find it disturbing that they include a feature that enables any idiot in the world to seamlessly use YouTube for hosting while at the same time selling an application that is in part designed to "to protect your digital CD+G collection from copying".

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-Chris

You can call it piracy, I call it idiocy.

Anyone who continues to support them and use their software is no better than someone using a loaded hard drive. This is totally retarded.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

Seriously???!! Yes, they are contributing to PIRACY, and putting another nail in the coffin and a stab in the back to all the legal KJ's out there. Along with piracy, this is the type of thing that will put us ALL out of business.

But I know that you "don't blame any of them for piracy".

I hope you feel the same way when you're out of a job.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

I would bet that it has everything to do with it.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

i have been using Siglos for almost 8 years now and was one of the first in the world to prove that i am not a pirate to both SC and CB so calm down with lumping me in with HDD idiots.

it is just as stable as any other software in use
it is more customizable than any other software in use
i was playing discs live off it before any other software had that option (without ripping to a temp file but playing it like a standalone disc player)
support has always been there for me up to and including sending a "testing" version of the software to try new ideas that have been suggested before sending out the full release
THAT is why it is getting a bigger following.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

It's a race to the bottom.

I often wondered how long it would be before there was a "Popcorn Time" for Karaoke. If you aren't familiar with that program, it's a Bit Torrent client with a built in media player. You could stream pirated movies seamlessly without having to understand torrents or lift a finger. Its only a matter of time before someone does that for Karaoke as well and this is another step in that direction.

It is part of the blur that results from the differences in what is allowed for home use and what is allowed for show use. It seems many companies see their money in catering to the home market--after all, with all of the piracy that has been going on they weren't making much on us, anyway--so they develop products for individual users.

I've got people who can get any song they want instantly on their phone and don't understand that maybe it is some homemade track someone put up on YouTube and not something that I can buy to use. I just had someone lecture me that I need to talk to someone who just entered the business a month ago so I can learn how to find and obtain songs.

I'm not saying that Siglos karaoke software is not good. And I'm sure many of you are happy using it running your shows. But never the less, this feature IS contributing to piracy and is detrimental to us all. Since Siglos made the decision to support piracy, I would never support them.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

OK, before I comment any further, I'd like Mr. Harrington to step in and offer his take on this whole thing. I seriously doubt this is legal for commercial use.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

From YouTube's Terms of Service:

Content is provided to you AS IS. You may access Content for your information and personal use solely as intended through the provided functionality of the Service and as permitted under these Terms of Service. You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content. You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content. YouTube and its licensors reserve all rights not expressly granted in and to the Service and the Content.

https://www.youtube.com/t/terms

That language would seem to prohibit the commercial use of YouTube videos in a karaoke show unless you have express written permission.

I can tell you that uploading Sound Choice content to YouTube is absolutely prohibited, and that no one has permission of the type described in the YouTube Terms of Service to use Sound Choice content that has been uploaded to YouTube.

I would be somewhat surprised if Digitrax had a different policy as to commercial use; although plainly they do provide content to Vevo, I would expect that content not to be usable commercially.

As for Siglos, I have no opinion. I don't know enough about their software or their customer base to be able to offer an informed opinion.

are you now going to start badgering people who buy Digitrax because they encourage piracy?

youtube available to users of Siglos....bad
youtube available to users of Digitrax....ok

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Just one more thing... DigiTrax is trying to make money with subscriptions to the cloud, which would grant you a license to use their library for commercial use. Why on earth, would they offer it for FREE on YouTube? Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the Cloud, doesn't it.

So, I'm sure those tracks on YouTube are for personal home use only. DigiTrax, can you confirm this?

And yes, we now have DigiTrax contributing to piracy with this brilliant move. Just because these tracks are available for personal use (if they are) , it's not going to stop the dis-honest KJ's from downloading them and using them in their commercial shows. And if it can't be linked to or downloaded, there are many capture programs that will record audio/video of anything on your screen.

So, the funny thing is that, manufacturers complain about how they are losing money to piracy and then do a foolish thing like this to make it real easy to get their stuff into the wrong hands. I don't get it. I just don't get it. I have nothing more to say.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.