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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Going After The Venues A Good Idea? |
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Author: | JimHarrington [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:50 am ] |
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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:28 am ] |
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Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:43 am ] |
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I am envisioning the dystopian future of karaoke that is controlled by a single evil corporation. Underground karaoke bars being raided by government forces. The burning of unauthorized copies of digital media a la Fahrenheit 451. And only being able to play from original discs. Good thing I will be dead long before then...... |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:45 am ] |
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chrisavis wrote: I am envisioning the dystopian future of karaoke that is controlled by a single evil corporation. Underground karaoke bars being raided by government forces. The burning of unauthorized copies of digital media a la Fahrenheit 451. And only being able to play from original discs. Good thing I will be dead long before then...... ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Going After The Venues A Good Idea? |
The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: I am envisioning the dystopian future of karaoke that is controlled by a single evil corporation. Underground karaoke bars being raided by government forces. The burning of unauthorized copies of digital media a la Fahrenheit 451. And only being able to play from original discs. Good thing I will be dead long before then...... ![]() I smoke some pretty darn good stuff these days. ![]() I see the possibility of your gloom and doom scenario, I just don't see the probability of it. Just like other certain doom scenarios have not played out. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:24 am ] |
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Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Going After The Venues A Good Idea? |
The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) You are making to light of this situation. I think it will have a negative impact on the karaoke hosting landscape. If it doesn't that means that PEP's efforts are feeble and don't need to be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways Chris. Jim would not go down this road, unless he thought there was a pot of gold at the end. I have expressed my concerns about going after venues. But I do not believe it is going to change the overall landscape much at all. Certainly not to the extent you suggest and definitely not in a time period I am concerned with. I feel there are other factors that will change the landscape more than PEP going after venues. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:36 am ] |
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chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: I have expressed my concerns about going after venues. But I do not believe it is going to change the overall landscape much at all. Certainly not to the extent you suggest and definitely not in a time period I am concerned with. I feel there are other factors that will change the landscape more than PEP going after venues. ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:35 am ] |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: I have expressed my concerns about going after venues. But I do not believe it is going to change the overall landscape much at all. Certainly not to the extent you suggest and definitely not in a time period I am concerned with. I feel there are other factors that will change the landscape more than PEP going after venues. ![]() That isn't what I am saying at all. I am saying that I don't believe PEP going after venues is going to have a widespread chilling effect on venues willing to host karaoke. I see more complaints about hosts not finding work due to over saturation than I do about hosts getting told the venue is scared of karaoke. |
Author: | DannyG2006 [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:53 am ] |
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Here you can't go into one venue without the rest of them hearing about it and just shutting down the entertainment for the night so that when they pop in nothing is happening and they have no evidence to use against the venue. A couple of weeks ago someone went in to investigate, got made and the rest the venues in town got calls warning them and I know that at least one of them cancelled their show. I guess that the person who was doing the investigation wasn't very good at hiding who they were and what they were doing. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:04 am ] |
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chrisavis wrote: That isn't what I am saying at all. I am saying that I don't believe PEP going after venues is going to have a widespread chilling effect on venues willing to host karaoke. I see more complaints about hosts not finding work due to over saturation than I do about hosts getting told the venue is scared of karaoke. ![]() |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:06 am ] |
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DannyG2006 wrote: Here you can't go into one venue without the rest of them hearing about it and just shutting down the entertainment for the night so that when they pop in nothing is happening and they have no evidence to use against the venue. A couple of weeks ago someone went in to investigate, got made and the rest the venues in town got calls warning them and I know that at least one of them cancelled their show. I guess that the person who was doing the investigation wasn't very good at hiding who they were and what they were doing. ![]() |
Author: | MtnKaraoke [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:22 am ] |
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LR - your logic simply does not pan out. Saturation occurs because venues hire illegitimate operators. If those venues are scared of karaoke, that's fine with me. I seek out the venues who operate with integrity. The saturation dries up when venues decide to act with integrity and hire legit operators at a reasonable rate. Venues need to understand the legal risk and the downside of hiring a shady operator for lousy pay. The low-lifes tend to slink away when the light is turned on. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:28 am ] |
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Author: | MtnKaraoke [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Going After The Venues A Good Idea? |
My argument "holds water". Your opinions do not amount to 1 single fact. My patrons do care and they can tell the difference in quality. My clients do care and they pay good money to get the best. You constantly create these fantasy scenarios of negativity and then stake your claim on the "reality" of the situation. My experience is much more positive and as the shady operators try and fail to get into the market, the venues that have attempted to succeed with them have failed. That is not saturation, that is the market shaking itself out. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:52 am ] |
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MtnKaraoke wrote: My argument "holds water". Your opinions do not amount to 1 single fact. My patrons do care and they can tell the difference in quality. My clients do care and they pay good money to get the best. You constantly create these fantasy scenarios of negativity and then stake your claim on the "reality" of the situation. My experience is much more positive and as the shady operators try and fail to get into the market, the venues that have attempted to succeed with them have failed. That is not saturation, that is the market shaking itself out. ![]() |
Author: | MtnKaraoke [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:32 pm ] |
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You do this all the time... circular reasoning. "Going after venues a good idea?" Yes. Going after venues will make them accountable for who they hire. If all the scorched-earth rhetoric was valid, wouldn't it hold true that when the alphabet soups come after venues, all venues would just drop music and copyrighted works out of fear? EDIT: To be clear, I did not say that one opinion was more valid than the other. I said one was negative and one was positive. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:38 pm ] |
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MtnKaraoke wrote: You do this all the time... circular reasoning. "Going after venues a good idea?" Yes. Going after venues will make them accountable for who they hire. If all the scorched-earth rhetoric was valid, wouldn't it hold true that when the alphabet soups come after venues, all venues would just drop music and copyrighted works out of fear? EDIT: To be clear, I did not say that one opinion was more valid than the other. I said one was negative and one was positive. ![]() |
Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Going After The Venues A Good Idea? |
The Lone Ranger wrote: It is PEP itself that is taking the scorched-earth approach, since they realize they can't go after the home user abuser's, the hosts have nothing, that leaves the venues, which effects everyone still out there trying to work in the industry. It is not affecting me. |
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