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TopherM
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CD/Disc sales are way down because they are old technology that has been replaced by new technology. 8 track sales are way down compared to 1972 as well, believe it or not.
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leopard lizard
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All Star also sold downloads which is what everyone said was "the answer." So the CD argument doesn't totally account for the problem.
As far as piracy, if they were to adjust for it they would probably have to charge us $12 a song at which point they would go under anyway due to no one buying.
And you don't know that everyone else is doing "just fine." We have PHM saying they are having difficulty licensing new songs, we have publishers writing letters to companies saying they don't want to grant licensing if they carry so and so's brand and it goes on and on.
How many companies will have to go down before people get it?
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TopherM wrote: Quote: iTunes sales are WAY WAY down According to the REAL numbers, iTunes sales were up year over year EVERY year of their existence until 2013, when singles sales were down 5.7% and album sales were down 0.1%. Hardly WAY WAY down. They (iTunes alone, not all digital sales) still raked in about $12,000,000,000 in sales, so they are hardly hurting. And think about that for a second. Sale were up year over year EVERY YEAR since iTunes was created until 2013. ITunes is not Karaoke. It's a different market. Karaoke has a smaller market share than ITunes would. That being said, I just tried to call All Star Karaoke (with the 800 number provided in their CONTACT US link). The number I called brought me to Karaoke Warehouse (which is also in Hilliard, Ohio (as is All Star Karaoke)). When I asked if I could talk to someone from the All Star site, I was told that they are "On recess for 1 week." I asked what that meant, and the person I spoke with said that the team is away right now. I then asked if there was any truth to the rumor that All Star is going out of business, and he responded that there is a change of management.
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TopherM
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:38 am |
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Quote: As far as piracy, if they were to adjust for it they would probably have to charge us $12 a song at which point they would go under anyway due to no one buying. If their profitability point is $12 a song, and they are charging $1.99, then they could legitimately be defined as stupid. "If they were to adjust for it?" They better adjust for it. Again, piracy isn't new, and it isn't going away. Piracy didn't start out of nowhere recently, and if the digital medium has made media content more accessible for pirates, it has made it proportionally more accessible for paying customers. Markets shift. Technology shifts. Businesses that can't adapt to change don't make it. If they can't do basic accounting to figure out how to be profitable, they should get out of the business! If it's impossible to be profitable in the business, then they should get out of the business! To say karaoke manufacturing/wholesaling digital music is impossible is just naysaying. The current model might kill off the little guys and require more scale to be profitable, but what's wrong with that? It's how the market works.
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leopard lizard wrote: And you don't know that everyone else is doing "just fine." We have PHM saying they are having difficulty licensing new songs, we have publishers writing letters to companies saying they don't want to grant licensing if they carry so and so's brand and it goes on and on. Pop Hits is obviously hurting. They haven't released a 'good' disc in a couple years now. Now they offer better music, but no longer offer graphics with their releases. Instrumental only - which is cheaper or more readily available to license. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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oceantracks
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:04 am |
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TopherM wrote: Quote: iTunes sales are WAY WAY down According to the REAL numbers, iTunes sales were up year over year EVERY year of their existence until 2013, when singles sales were down 5.7% and album sales were down 0.1%. Hardly WAY WAY down. They (iTunes alone, not all digital sales) still raked in about $12,000,000,000 in sales, so they are hardly hurting. And think about that for a second. Sale were up year over year EVERY YEAR since iTunes was created until 2013. Well, there was certainly rampant piracy prior to 2013. Translation, the small dip is not a direct result of piracy, it's just the maturation of the market segment. This is further evidenced by the fact that Q1 2014 iTunes revenue was UP 19% year over year. The piracy didn't stop or even slow down. It's part of the business model at this point.They forecast piracy in their actuarial tables, it's not some unknown factor. Anyway, please don't go scaring people with your "WAY WAY down" non-sense. Look at the actual numbers, it's very accessible information!  iTunes sales for karaoke are WAY...WAY....down.....you have no way of understanding this because you are not the recipient of iTunes sales from karaoke. If you were...you'd be saying 'Whoa....sales are WAY WAY down..."  TH
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TopherM wrote: Quote: iTunes sales are WAY WAY down According to the REAL numbers, iTunes sales were up year over year EVERY year of their existence until 2013, when singles sales were down 5.7% and album sales were down 0.1%. Hardly WAY WAY down. They (iTunes alone, not all digital sales) still raked in about $12,000,000,000 in sales, so they are hardly hurting. And think about that for a second. Sale were up year over year EVERY YEAR since iTunes was created until 2013. Well, there was certainly rampant piracy prior to 2013. Translation, the small dip is not a direct result of piracy, it's just the maturation of the market segment. This is further evidenced by the fact that Q1 2014 iTunes revenue was UP 19% year over year. The piracy didn't stop or even slow down. It's part of the business model at this point.They forecast piracy in their actuarial tables, it's not some unknown factor. Anyway, please don't go scaring people with your "WAY WAY down" non-sense. Look at the actual numbers, it's very accessible information! BTW, the easily accessible "real" numbers are: CD sales down 20.5 from last years first quarter Digital sales gone down 13.3 per cent first quarter 2014 Streaming? "Nielsen data says the average royalty rate per stream is $0.005, whereas last year’s first quarter average was $0.00375. This is a 33.3 percent rise. Streaming royalties supposedly make up for the decline in digital sales, but that still doesn’t account for the decline in physical sales. All types of music retailers are reflecting this loss. Chain stores, mass merchants, independent record stores, non-traditional retailers, and digital download stores all saw a decrease in sales."---Digital Music Sales Again, you can speculate, or you can take it from someone who has earned his living from producing tracks for several companies....all the companies have had the same problems with profitability. They cannot pay producers a fair rate (though All Star did for as long as they could) and maintain any profitability anymore, at least in the US. TH
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oceantracks
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:13 am |
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leopard lizard wrote: All Star also sold downloads which is what everyone said was "the answer." So the CD argument doesn't totally account for the problem.
As far as piracy, if they were to adjust for it they would probably have to charge us $12 a song at which point they would go under anyway due to no one buying.
And you don't know that everyone else is doing "just fine." We have PHM saying they are having difficulty licensing new songs, we have publishers writing letters to companies saying they don't want to grant licensing if they carry so and so's brand and it goes on and on.
How many companies will have to go down before people get it? Licensing can be a huge problem for many companies. I cannot tell you how many companies have told me "Oh, we can't have you do such and such song, we are in a court case against them over licensing"......I'm not sure how this keeps happening, but it has been a problem with many of the companies over the years.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:30 am |
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Quote: BTW, the easily accessible "real" numbers are:
CD sales down 20.5 from last years first quarter
Digital sales gone down 13.3 per cent first quarter 2014 I'm out of this discussion after this post, but I would just like to remind you that you specifically referred to iTunes, and I just correctly pointed out that your assertion about iTunes was incorrect. This had nothing to do with CD sales or industry-wide digital sales. You can't change the terms of the debate in the middle of the debate. If you can: The REAL REAL numbers are that brown cows produce chocolate milk that is far superior to that of brown goats. Hatchback ergonomic extraterrestrial fart monkey. Topher out! 
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 10:37 am |
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TopherM wrote: Quote: BTW, the easily accessible "real" numbers are:
CD sales down 20.5 from last years first quarter
Digital sales gone down 13.3 per cent first quarter 2014 I'm out of this discussion after this post, but I would just like to remind you that you specifically referred to iTunes, and I just correctly pointed out that your assertion about iTunes was incorrect. This had nothing to do with CD sales or industry-wide digital sales. You can't change the terms of the debate in the middle of the debate. If you can: The REAL REAL numbers are that brown cows produce chocolate milk that is far superior to that of brown goats. Hatchback ergonomic extraterrestrial fart monkey. Topher out! Again since you don't personally profit from iTunes sales, you really aren't privy to how bad it's gotten. TH
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If you think about it, the people who buy the most music have never used a plastic CD- they've been download only for years. If I can stream 250,000 songs to any device I have for just $20 a month, why would I want to own music?
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oceantracks
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rickgood wrote: If you think about it, the people who buy the most music have never used a plastic CD- they've been download only for years. If I can stream 250,000 songs to any device I have for just $20 a month, why would I want to own music? Yes this makes sense. CD sales have been down period, not just for karaoke. All hard copies of everything will eventually be archaic. No records, no books, no CDs, no DVDs, just files  Our kids will have kids that have no idea what a CD is unless we show them one.... TH
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oceantracks wrote: rickgood wrote: If you think about it, the people who buy the most music have never used a plastic CD- they've been download only for years. If I can stream 250,000 songs to any device I have for just $20 a month, why would I want to own music? Yes this makes sense. CD sales have been down period, not just for karaoke. All hard copies of everything will eventually be archaic. No records, no books, no CDs, no DVDs, just files Our kids will have kids that have no idea what a CD is unless we show them one.... TH Didn't I say pretty much this exact same thing two years ago when I joined the forums? My two youngest girls (now 15 and 18) don't own a single CD or DVD or Blu-Ray. They have iTunes, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu and YouTube. Just so happens myself and many other early adopters have been doing this for 10 years or more.
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oceantracks
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chrisavis wrote: oceantracks wrote: rickgood wrote: If you think about it, the people who buy the most music have never used a plastic CD- they've been download only for years. If I can stream 250,000 songs to any device I have for just $20 a month, why would I want to own music? Yes this makes sense. CD sales have been down period, not just for karaoke. All hard copies of everything will eventually be archaic. No records, no books, no CDs, no DVDs, just files Our kids will have kids that have no idea what a CD is unless we show them one.... TH Didn't I say pretty much this exact same thing two years ago when I joined the forums? My two youngest girls (now 15 and 18) don't own a single CD or DVD or Blu-Ray. They have iTunes, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu and YouTube. Just so happens myself and many other early adopters have been doing this for 10 years or more. Well it's fine by me. Things haven't really been exciting to me since albums (as in vinyl) went away...not because of the sound....but because when brought one home you really felt like got your money's worth with the big album cover and whatever was inside;) I'm too old to squint over a tiny CD booklet anyway.... TH
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Brian A wrote: Sad to hear about allstar closing. Quite a few songs I got from them not available from other manus. Need to use up my download card asap while the site is still up & running. So I used up my remaining balance from AllStar downloads this afternoon. Tho’ they’re not my goto site for downloads they have some songs not in the sbi/kv library. I decided to buy another $20 card, 45 songs from Walmart http://www.walmart.com/msharbor/ip/21310093 email delivery 4pm pst today. ‘receive redemption code via email over an hour ago & downloaded 45 tracks mostly Disney, Christmas & new releases. Fyi - allstar website for downloads still fully functional as of 10:10pm pst, May 12, 2014.
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yep just finished up 3 $20 / 45 song cards myself and have one more.
gonna chat with the wife on the last one to see if there is anything she wants.
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Man I have over 200 songs on prepaid cards but cannot find anything I need to fill them out  _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Actually it appears as though the real truth is a good ol' family feud... http://fcdcfcjs.co.franklin.oh.us/CaseI ... ionOnline/Accept agreement to use the service Case 13 Type CV 11332 If you start at the bottom of the page and work your way up you can see a long list of filings between the owners of the company - all public record....
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I only read a few of the docs, but this all smacks to me of "Hey! That is *MY* song!" mentality of some karaoke singers. I guess that kind of things can exist all the way up the chain.
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Bradsinger wrote: Actually it appears as though the real truth is a good ol' family feud... http://fcdcfcjs.co.franklin.oh.us/CaseI ... ionOnline/Accept agreement to use the service Case 13 Type CV 11332 If you start at the bottom of the page and work your way up you can see a long list of filings between the owners of the company - all public record.... Holy crap! Never seen so many motions and counter motions, I can't even seem to find the original complaint.. No wonder all star is going broke, all their money is going to the lawyers!  
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