Meh, just make your own karaoke tracks and make sure the applicable fees are paid.
To be really safe, just put everything in your brother in laws's name incase things go sideways
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| Author: | SINGA USA [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:12 am ] |
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For those not familiar with the scope of the composers and artists that routinely deny karaoke, here is a list... Restricted Composers Anderson, Jon Howe, Steve James Andersson, Benny Goran Bror Ulvaeus, Bjoern K.anderson Stig Adkins, Adele Anzilotti, Luca Muenzing, Michael Apple Publishing Ltd White, Barry Armstrong, Billie Joe Wright Iii, Frank Edwin Pritchard, Mike Ryan Nilsson, Harry Edward Bacharach, Burt F Ballard, Glen Matthew, David Bass, Jeff Bellamy, Matthew James Lange, Mutt Bevan, Jack William Gervers, Walter James Morrison Philippakis, Yannis Barnabas Emanuel Smith, James Andrew Congrave, Edward Bourdon, Robert G Delson, Bradford Philip Hahn, Joseph Hahn, Joseph Bennington, Chester Brel, Jacques Roman Buck, Peter Lawrence Mills, Michael E. Stipe, Michael J. Berry, William Byrne, David Carlile, Brandi M. Russell, Brenda Gordon Carter, Shawn C. Child, Desmond Sambora, Richard S Bon, Jovi Jon Carlsson, Andreas Michael Clayton, Adam Evans, Dave Hewson, Paul David Lanois, Daniel Roland Mullen, Larry Cutler, Scott Michael Dylan, Jakob Flowers, Brandon Keuning, Dave Stoermer, Mark Vannucci,ronnie Foster, Amy Skylark Frey, Glenn Lewis Felder, Don Meisner, Randy Leadon, Bernie Costello, Elvis Gadhia, Sameer Cannata, Eric Matthew Tilley, Jacob John Comtois, Francois Paul Doostzadeh, Payam Reza Gershwin, George Gershwin, Ira Gibb, Barry Alan Goldwasser, Benjamin Nicholas Huner Vanwyngarden, Andrew Wells Greenfield, Howard Grohl, David Eric Ham, Peter William Hamilton, Priscilla Renea Harris, Stephen Smith, Adrian Gers, Janick Dickinson, Bruce Johnson, Jack Hart, Angie Austin, Simon Sean Nicholas David Hector, Wayne Anthony Henley, Don Hetfield, James Alan Ulrich, Lars Hammett, Kirk L Horner, James Imbruglia, Natalie Jones, Daniel Hayes, Darren Stanley Knopfler, Mark Kroeger, Chad Kruspe, Richard Lindemann, Till Riedel, Oliver Schneider, Christoph, Doom Lorenz, Christian Landers, Philip Leto, Jared Lewis, Donna Lewis, Huey Madonna Ciccone, Madonna Louise Ndegeocello, Meshell Martin, Kevin Colin Klett, Peter Andrew Mercado, Scott Martin, Bardi David Krusen, David Morris, Stephen Paul David Hook, Peter Sumner, Bernard Gilbert, Gillian Lesley Morrison, Van Mumford, Marcus Oliver Johnstone Dwane, Edward James Milton Lovett, Benjamin Walter David Marshall, Winston Aubrey Aladar Nelson, Prince Rogers Newman, Randy Ocasek, Rick Page, James Patrick Plant, Robert Anthony Jones, John Paul Bonham, John Perry, Katy Preven, Anne Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Joey Ramone, Dee Dee Hansard, Glen James Irglova, Marketa Rice, Damien George Rogers, Evan A. Sater, Steven Edward Sedaka, Neil Sondheim, Stephen Stephens, Lascelles Stewart, David Lennox, Annie Sheeran, Ed Stills, Stephen Strummer, Joe Jones, Mick Headon, Topper Simons, Paul Berryman, Guy Buckland, Jonathan Champion, William Martin, Christoper Sturken, Carl Allen Lamm, Robert Isaak, Chris Aguilera, Christina Tankian, Serj Tempchin, Jack Temperton, Rod Thompson, Linda Tillis, Pam Tillis, Pamela Y Timberlake, R Justin Van Halen, Edward Van Halen, Alex Anthony, Michael Hagar, Sammy Vega, Suzanne Waits, Tom Waters, Roger Weiss, Donna Weller, Paul Williams, Hayley Nichole Farro, Joshua Neil Simon, Paul Williams, John Williams, John Winwood, Steve Yarrow, Peter Yorke, Thomas Edward Greenwood, Jonathan Richard Guy Greenwood, Colin Charles O'brien, Edward John Selway, Philip James Affected Artists 30 Seconds To Mars Abba Adele Amy Foster Anne Preven Apple Publishing Barry White Bee Gees Bon Jovi Brandi Carlile Brenda Russell Burt Bacharach Candlebox Carl Sturken Chicago Chris Isaak Christina Aguilera Clash Coldplay Damien Rice David Byrne David Matthews Band Dire Straits / Mark Knopfler Don Henley Donna Lewis Donna Weiss Eagles Elvis Costello Eurythmics Evan Rogers Foals Foo Fighters Frente! George Gershwin & Ira Gershwin Green Day Harry Nilsson Howard Greenfield Huey Lewis Iron Maiden Jack Johnson Jack Tempchin Jacques Brel James Horner Jay-Z Jeff Bass John Williams Justin Timberlake Katy Perry Killers Lascelles Stephens Led Zepplin Linda Thompson Linkin Park Madonna Metallica Me’shell N’degeocello Mgmt Mumford & Sons Muse Mutt Lange Natalie Imbruglia Neil Sedaka New Order Nickelback Pamela Tillis Paramore Paul Simon Paul Weller Pete Ham (Apple Publishing) Peter Yarrow Pink Floyd Prince Priscilla Renea R.e.m Radiohead Rammstein Randy Newman Rod Temperton Savage Garden Scott Cutler Snap Stephen Sondheim Stephen Stills Steve Winwood Steven Sater Suzanne Vega System Of A Down The Cars The Ramones The Swell Season Tom Waits U2 Van Halen Van Morrison Van Morrison Wallflowers Wayne Hector Yes Young The Giant |
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| Author: | TopherM [ Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: No Fly composer list and artists that are affected - FYI |
Ah man! Everyone's been wanting the latest hits from Snap!! Try to karaoke their music, and they "will attack, and you don't want that!" |
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| Author: | MtnKaraoke [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: No Fly composer list and artists that are affected - FYI |
I wish I could understand why. Is it really just about money? |
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| Author: | dsm2000 [ Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:31 pm ] |
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MtnKaraoke wrote: I wish I could understand why. Is it really just about money? I would say much of it is insecurity. Songwriters: They're skittish because they've already been raped by the music producers who bastardized their works of art by only allowing the song to flourish if it's shoehorned into the producer/record label vision of which cookie cutter made up performer of the day will record it. (Studio recording scene of Love on the Rocks from The Jazz Singer movie comes to mind here) Original Recording artist: Let's face it . . . with millions of karaoke singers out there, the odds are heavily stacked that someone, somewhere, will interpret and sing the song better than the original artist did. Singer, Songwriter: Afraid someone else's interpretation and/or performance will eclipse their own |
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| Author: | earthling12357 [ Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:52 pm ] |
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I wonder if this means they also deny performance rights through ASCAP, BMI, etc.? |
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| Author: | screamersusa [ Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:13 am ] |
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earthling12357 wrote: I wonder if this means they also deny performance rights through ASCAP, BMI, etc.? As a musician,.......Now that is a very scary thought!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:59 am ] |
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Nothing but a bunch of whiny pieces of CRAP!!! Each and every one of them should be run out of the business!! It just angers me to no end. Music is supposed to be there to be enjoyed. It makes life fun. It is relaxing. I provokes emotions. It is a creative force. It has been said that music is even curative, to a certain extent. Karaoke is made for people who love music. It doesn't matter if they have musical talent, or not. It was made for fun, and for people to express themselves. For musicians to deny their "CUSTOMERS", (because that is exactly what we are, those of us that buy music), the "privilege" of singing the songs they wrote, to me, is completely wrong. Why don't they put a stop to cover bands?? Why do they only pick on Karaoke singers?? If I were a musician, I would be HONORED to have my fans singing my songs!! Hell, if they sang my songs better than me, more power to them. I am not a bad singer, and there are plenty of other singers that sing the same songs I do. Some of them sing those song MUCH better than me. I LOVE it!! They are enjoying themselves, and making others happy. That is what music is all about. Those that are blocking their music from Karaoke should be ashamed of themselves!! OK, rant off. Michael, keep up the good work, and thanks again!! |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:47 am ] |
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There have been many lawsuits against bars with cover bands not paying their PRO fees. |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:45 am ] |
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Lonman wrote: There have been many lawsuits against bars with cover bands not paying their PRO fees. That is a separate issue. I know that. I lost my first venue because of BMI issues. |
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| Author: | DannyG2006 [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:59 am ] |
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I'm surprised Dan Fogelberg isn't on that list. His wife must have gotten my email. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:33 pm ] |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: There have been many lawsuits against bars with cover bands not paying their PRO fees. That is a separate issue. I know that. I lost my first venue because of BMI issues. You asked why they dont pick on cover bands.....they do. |
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| Author: | earthling12357 [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:07 pm ] |
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Yeah, they do police cover bands along with all other forms of music played in public venues. I find it interesting that they always omit that information when they report it as a karaoke thing in the "news articles". I think it demonstrates their lack of respect for karaoke, and their desire to make karaoke look like something that will cause trouble for a venue. Perhaps that's because many of these articles are authored and promoted by struggling band members who have to compete with karaoke for gigs. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:35 pm ] |
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earthling12357 wrote: I wonder if this means they also deny performance rights through ASCAP, BMI, etc.? I don't believe any of the performance societies will touch that with a 10-foot pole. It's not their business. They collect fees based on the performance, not whether or not the underlying work is licensed for any particular use from the rights holders. Case in point: The Eagles went after SC for the discs, ASCAP didn't not - and it's not their job to police anything other than performance. ASCAP and the others don't sue or even license cover bands either, they sue the venue only -- for the performance rights only. SC then put out the RBTL disc (Read Between The Lines) that had a bunch of Eagles songs and no graphics.... couldn't be touched for that. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:46 pm ] |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Why don't they put a stop to cover bands?? Why do they only pick on Karaoke singers?? They can't stop cover bands. There's no mechanism to do that, but they can tighten the screws on karaoke because you normally use the lyrics (another license) and a sync license (another license) and they CAN stop that.If you are at a venue that has paid the performance societies and have any song that is "not allowed for karaoke" and you have the audio and a singer walks up, and you hit play -and there are no lyrics - they can sing it freely all day long because then, it's just like a cover band. Performance license is paid for the venue/event, you're good to go. |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:55 am ] |
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It just encourages people, who know how to do it, make their own Karaoke tracks to make up for what is not allowed to be produced. I know a few people who can do it, and DO. |
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| Author: | Rockrz [ Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:45 pm ] |
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Well, if you call it a church service and the music is being used for worship... it's fair game! Of course this only really works for Christian music in a church setting, but you can use the music under Federal law in this setting. |
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| Author: | pxranger [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:12 am ] |
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Methinks Joey Ramone is not denying these requests |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:00 pm ] |
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pxranger wrote: Methinks Joey Ramone is not denying these requests No but his power of attorney for his namesake surely might be. |
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| Author: | CafeBar [ Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:02 pm ] |
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: There have been many lawsuits against bars with cover bands not paying their PRO fees. That is a separate issue. I know that. I lost my first venue because of BMI issues. You asked why they dont pick on cover bands.....they do. I think he's making a different distinction than you think he is. He's not saying that BMI and ASCAP and SESAC licenses aren't enforced--he's wondering why artists allow their music to be licensed by PROs so it can be played by cover bands (and as background music) but separately refuse to license it as karaoke. |
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| Author: | Rockrz [ Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: No Fly composer list and artists that are affected - FYI |
Meh, just make your own karaoke tracks and make sure the applicable fees are paid. To be really safe, just put everything in your brother in laws's name incase things go sideways
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