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Spreading the karaoke gospel

My Opinion is that it should be EITHER/OR. And I also believe it's an AGE Thing. I was at a karaoke bar Recently where from 9:30 to Midnight . It was a Nice. Mellow. karaoke Crowd A Rotation of about 15 singers a Generous Amount of applause.At Midnight it all changed, The Young Folks Started Pouring in and the KJ Started Playing Hip-Hop Dance music, then the whole Atmosphere Changed. No More Karaoke After that even though it was supposed to be Karaoke Nite. THE Bar Owner Looked Happy Because the Young Folks Were Drinking Like Crazy. My Friends And I Filtered Out The Door And Remarked ! SCRATCH ANOTHER ONE OFF THE LIST! Maybe it's just the Natural Progression Of Life But We WON'T Be Back Again.

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I think Jamkaraoke has a feel for his crowd by the way he writes and he'll be fine.
It is hard to keep everyone happy, but if you can find the right mix
for your venue you'll be successful.

I personally have never taken requests for music unless it is a wedding or an event that asks for it. I am not setup for it.

I think some KJs are threatened by the KJ/DJ. It is a whole different creature being able to DJ.
I am mainly a KJ and if asked to DJ only would probably be rotten at it. I know my limitations, but if the industry changed and I had to learn, I would.
You bet if my competitors were getting my jobs because I didn't do DJ music too I'd
be doing the quick study.  :D

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Well it's an area thing also. I don't think you are talking about me but it happens often in the area. With the struggling pay for DJ's and KJ's everyone has had to adapt. The most importnat thing to me is that sales total at the end of the night. I try very hard to be faithful to karaoke regulars, but I split my show up, with music quite often.

That being said every show and bar is different. My Sunday night I still use filler music but with an average of over 30 singers my goal is to get through singers as fast as possible. We still take a break every now and then if someone wants a filler song to roll a min or two, I generally take 1 dance set break so I can use the mens room, and we break for the ladies to dance on the bar. Other than that it Karaoke from 8:00PM til 1:30 AM

Tuesday night people expect a Mix of DJ / Karaoke. On average the rotation never gets much bigger than 10 people.

Babs --You hit the nail on the HEAD !!!...BULLsEYE.....  BINGO.....ETC
Each venue and many geographical areas are DIFFERANT.  What works for me MAY not work for someone else.... The bottom line for me is that I hold onto a steady gig and keep as many people happy as possible.

I could only wish for the gig in where I have a 20+ rotation where everyone is patient and content singing 1 or 2 songs all night long.  They and the rest of the bar applaud after every singer and everyone is buying drinks ...but drinking responsibly, no one screams in the mic and the selection of songs being sung are the perfect mix of upbeat and ballads ....At the end of the night the manager gives me a thumbs up while handing me a check for $350.  :bouncer:  :biggrinthumb:  :rotflmao:

I don't know why they booted my link from my post.  I wasn't trying to seel anything and it wasn't lewd or any such thing.  

Maybe I should just tell you to use the www button at the bottom of this post and when you get to my website put /bigdog at the end of the addy to see his picture.

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Spreading the karaoke gospel

Big Mike the rebel  LMAO He's got the posting police on his trail.

Don't worry I'll visit you in the big forum slammer with the spammers.

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If you start playing DJ music regularly, then you are a DJ that does some karaoke.   You are not a KJ.  

To me an advertised karaoke night means exactly that.    All karaoke.  

Tommie Tunes said it best.   The true, serious karaoke people around  my area want all karaoke music all the time.     Last night I had 20 singers and 60-70 total in the crowd.   It was all karaoke.   Everyone had fun.     They all stayed.    They danced, drank and sang.   If someone wants to hear a song, I tell them I only carry karaoke music.   That means if nobody sings you will just hear the music.    I think in 14 years I have played 3 songs that way.    The words were on the screen, so it was still all karaoke.    I am not a KJ/DJ.    Only for weddings or parties.    Not bars.

Call me a purest.     I will never add DJ music to my shows.    NEVER, EVER, NEVER.  :O  :shock:    I don't need to, I don't want to.     I'll ride the purest karaoke wave, until it totally dies.      

Learn how to sing to entertain your crowds.    I do it all the time.    14 years to be exact.      Still works.      Always has, always will.

Signed,

One Pure KJ.

Even though there were words on the screen, no one was singing - no different than just playing a dance song, you are still wasting a singers spot just playing a song.

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You could announce it as a sing-a-long.     Not many times in 14 years.   Not enough to worry about.

Big Mike you took my quotes out of context.   Those quotes were from the KJ singing thread, I believe.    Meaning KJs should or could sing songs to break up the slow singer monotony.    I didn't mean to play DJ music.     I would never condone that.

Make up your mind.   You are a DJ or a KJ.   You are not both.   If you want to play DJ music, then DJ.    Don't confuse what I do, with what you want to do.    I am a KJ.    My definition:    I play only karaoke music, 100% of the time.     Unless you hire me to do both, such as at a wedding or a party.    You will not hire me to do both at a bar, ever.    Not at a regularly advertised, regularly scheduled steady karaoke night.    

I can keep the nonsinging crowd interested and entertained.     If you can not do that, learn.    You are not a KJ.     Playing DJ music is a cop out.    Learn your craft.    And that doesn't mean learning to play DJ music.   Don't hand me the "I have to adapt to survive crap."     You must not be any good at KJing, if you have to adapt.    Never were.    I do it every night.     Always have more nonsingers than singers, ALWAYS.   They are entertained by me and the other singers.

I can "wee wee" between singers, I don't ever play DJ music.     No excuses for me.     PURE KJ, 100%.       Some aspire to be like me.     Others DJ.  LMAO

I'll have to disagree with you Bigdog. It's not my place to speak for Big Mike so I'll say it for myself. You do what works for you. If that means adapting to keep working then so be it. This does not mean that the business that adapts has any lesser quality than anyone else. Those two subjects are completely seperate.

Heel doggy your peeing on the carpet again  LMAO

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Yeah, that may work for you, but for others is dosen't.  Learning to change an adapt is part of ANY business, wether it be running Wal-Mart, a local Mom&Pop store, or your little KJ business.  If you run your KJ'ing as a business, then you will learn to change an adapt and give people what they want.  If you didn't change and adapt, you still would be useing casaette tapes with printed lyrics.  Oh no you don't so you have changed and adapted.

If some other KJ came in your area, had a good show and played DJ music, and your "regulars" left you and went to his/her show, trust me you would change and give people what they want (ie: a lil DJing).  By you blantanly saying you will NEVER play DJ music, only shows how narrowed minded you are, and that you are doomed to failur.  Maybey not today, tommorow, next month, next year....but will will have t change and give people what they want.

Ever been to the Cat's Meow in NOLA?  They have a very HIGH ENERGY show all day long, and yes they play DJ music inbetween EVERY singer, or at least they did when I was there.  Everyone was haveing a great time and it was 3pm on a tuesday and the place was packed!

BTW...if you play a song, and there is no one singing, then it is DJing, wether it is a karaoke song or a regular song.

BigDog

You are a true PUREST alright  :nana:  :giveup:  :puke:

A working steady, purest.


Karaoke has been the most popular form of entertainment for the last 10 years, across the entire country and most of the world.    Not Djing or bands.    Unless you are brain dead, everyone knows exactly what karaoke is and exactly what to expect.    

The bag pipier at a funreal doesn't play U2 between Amazing Grace and Nearer My God To Thee.    Because you are there for a funeral.

Jay Leno doesn't break in to a dance routine after every 5 jokes.   Because you are there for comedy.

People in a karaoke bar know it's going to be karaoke.   If they don't like that then they can go to see a DJ.     I don't expect anything but karaoke, at karaoke.     If you ask for anything but karaoke, at karaoke then you are a jerk.    If you can not be entertained at a karaoke bar, go elsewhere.      Do not try to change everyone elses agenda, to suit you.    If you, as a KJ, cave in to that then I feel sorry for you.

Karaoke should remain exactly as it is, KARAOKE. (Empty Orchestra)  Meaning music without words (vocals)    Not mixed with nuts or cookies and cake or dance music.

Do not call yourselves KJs.     You are a KJ wannabe, that couldn't handle the job or the challenge.      You lack the talent required to be a true KJ.      So I'll slip in some dance music to cover my inadequecies.     Nobody will notice, except the karaoke singers.    :yes:    Your most important cliental.      Not saying to ignore the nonsingers.     They know why they are there.    They know what karaoke means.  :yes:   So if they want to stay, I'll entertain them, with karaoke music.    :yes:    BECAUSE "I" CAN.      :yes:   All night long, 5 nights a week, for 14 years.    Oh yeah....

I would have put some filler in between this, but I don't have a need to.

All 100% business, no filler added.  :O  :worship:

 Let me tell you what son..I have sang in front of crowds (up to 6000) for over 60 years.. I have Mc'd  hosted belly dance shows for huge crowds.. I will guarantee you when there is a mic in my paw there no inadequasies lack of talent or hint of a dying show. I dont have to run 30 drunks thru an assembly line per hour to keep something going. I can kj I did it your way prob just as long as you have.. And it is boring........

 I can KJ DJ or I could get up and sing 4 hours and put on one hell of a show.. I know how to work crowds in all parts of the world.....With singing or dancing.....I am an entertainer.

What works in your small bar will not work in all venues.. And I am tired of your insinuations that because we use different things to put on a well rounded show we are inadequate as far as Kj goes. I have 12 year old kids that can sit down at my system and run singers through. What the hell kind of talent does that take for gods sake?

I am still in a learning process and honing skills that a good show needs as for as genre tempo volume fill no fill Kj DJ and I have more experience by a long shot than you have in more entertainment fields.  But however since you know it all and are in denial then you continue to do your thing ... If it works it works..

But dont assume things like you know more have more experince are more legal or for any reason think you are better than anybody cuz u aint son... You want see a karaoke show you come out to Colorado.  Ill show you how its done. Now this is the last post Im going to make on this worn out argument but if you want to continue to make a fool out of yourself then go ahead...

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That's all nice for you bigdog, but calling others names for expanding thier business and giving the clients moe $$$, is totaly small minded of you.

Your clients are not the people that are there singing, your cleint is the person that hired you (ie: the bar owner).  You are there to draw business, and that is it.  It dosen't matter if you KJ, DJ, or take a big crap on the stage, and call it art.   As long as there are people coming to see you, what ever you do, and thoes people are spending $$$, you are making money for your client, and that is your JOB.

Perhaps you could draw a bugger crowd if you tossed in some real music.  But being that you have not done it, I guess you are not the business guru that you claim to be.  If you stay the same, and never change things become stale.  And that is that fastest way to loose in the business world.

Again, quit being small minded, perhaps in your area 100% karaoke all the time works, but for a lot of others, me included, it makes more sense, and makes the bar more money if some filler/dance music is trown in to the mix.  And calling us wannabe KJs for doing what we do is totaly wrong!!!!

And like others have asked, where is your proof, you claim that you are the best KJ since God himself, and that you work oh so many nights a week.  But where's proof of it????  I could make up a another account on here, claim that I am the best KJ in the world, and work 7 nites a week, and make $100K a year!  But without proof, it is only lip service.

DITTO THAT

Personally I would love to hear more rantings  :drums:  :drums:  of a lunatic ...

Dang ... I was looking for a soapbox for another thread and now I see Bigdog's hogging it again!