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Shotgun CC
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:02 pm |
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Sheree @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:53 pm wrote:
Speaking of cars :D ... each year the new model is improved and better than the last ~ hopefully. Because new gadgets, protective devices and feedback from consumers made it so.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:58 pm |
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If any changes are made to the SS format here is another suggestion:
Is there a way to increase the amount of space given for titles? Also, could punctuation be allowed as well? Perhaps trimming back the space allocated for the original performer would allow more space for the title without having to drastically reformat the entire grid. Thank you...
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Odie
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:41 pm |
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I'm seeing a lot of great ideas floating around up here. But I'm wondering, just how long of a "wish list" do we want to present to Admin? If we give them a list that's too long they might be overwhelmed and not know exactly where to start (if at all). Can we agree upon what the bare essential changes should be? Or do we want to take our chances and present the whole shebang all at once?
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Chuck2
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:45 pm |
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I don't know right now where to start with prioritizing.
I have decided to just sub under J or L in the future. If I want help on some subs I will quietly ask a friend to tell me what I should do differently.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:49 pm |
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michaeljayklein @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:58 pm wrote: If any changes are made to the SS format here is another suggestion: Is there a way to increase the amount of space given for titles? Also, could punctuation be allowed as well? Perhaps trimming back the space allocated for the original performer would allow more space for the title without having to drastically reformat the entire grid. Thank you...
I just mentioned this as something they could perhaps do while they are making changes..NOT a top priority! I agree, first things first! Michael
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Odie
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:01 pm |
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michaeljayklein @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:49 pm wrote: michaeljayklein @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:58 pm wrote: If any changes are made to the SS format here is another suggestion: Is there a way to increase the amount of space given for titles? Also, could punctuation be allowed as well? Perhaps trimming back the space allocated for the original performer would allow more space for the title without having to drastically reformat the entire grid. Thank you... I just mentioned this as something they could perhaps do while they are making changes..NOT a top priority! I agree, first things first! Michael
Michael, my post just landed next to yours by chance. I could have just as easily decided to post it some other time. I wasn't making a reference to what you had in mind.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:02 pm |
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Quote: Well Steven, I see the point you are making...... and to an extent, it is very valid ... but..... whether we like it or not..... SOME of the passengers in your car will get pi$$y, if they are in a car that stalls ......'specially in heavy traffic....... and wonder why you don't get the darn thing fixed.
And when enough passengers are affected, the car will end up in the shop. (Which is why I believe your points are valid, AND those having fun not noticing these issues have valid points as well). -might very well be unspoken but they seem happy.
If "we" were to take a vote now as to whether or not the brakes were defective, I think you'd find that the vast majority will easily be able to say "a few of the drivers complaining have trigger foot, and didn't use the breaks properly". What do you think the outcome would be of all passengers in this car in a REAL vote ? My guess is more would feel, "You whiners need to learn how to drive our car", "If you can't run with those of us enjoying the ride, and you are getting carsick, go get your own car". How I feel is moot, this is how I perceive this.
This is my premise regarding new room.
So, I've brought up what *I* too feel is a plausable option. WE all have a right, and should state our wishes... NOTHING wrong with that at all... Never know, this is sometimes how compromise CAN come about, BUT.. shouldn't this include ALL active in Singer's Showcase having a vote ? Rather than a few of us being thought of as "autocratic" ?
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:18 pm |
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Steven wrote: Luly, this would still require not just moderating in the venue, but heavier handed moderating because Critique is a subjective area to begin with. Hence, those qualified to see thru esoteric innuendo, and deliniate between camouflaged bashes and tough candor. If you think Critique gets tough, asking people to moderate the process is brutal ! A task nobody in sane mind would wish for. Assuming there were truly a problem affecting most in the current system it MIGHT be an option, but it would also become a source of more dissension. The problem isn't layout, it's some individuals. "WHY" is there a problem ? I’m gonna be very simple here….why can’t people be NICE??? Give your views, but keep it civilized and without making the singer feel belittled. That’s all I’m saying and it most certainly CAN be accomplished. Quote: Because those in SS have written their OWN acceptable definition of Critique. Nathan brought up some excellent points regarding this earlier I just noticed. …and that’s why I thought having a mandatory format would make it uniform and cover the areas that should be covered when critqueing… Quote: Within the site description it states "you must have fun here". Yet those of us that want to have fun are lumped as “fluffers”. Quote: Those of us that understand the definition of "Critique" (in the dictionary or scholastic sense) realize it needs to be taken elsewhere assuming individuals truly opt for it ! Many see it as paradoxical to :having fun: and THIS is the problem. Differing agendas. Administration has their's. More serious artists have their own too, HOWEVER the site SHOULD be able to accomodate all more easily than proposing fixing a system that isn't broken
I agree that you should get what you’re here for…and that’s why the 3 categories were initiated! That was the last time there was major change here (about 2 years ago). There have been no polls or major requests to change anything since (that I remember). We are now ALL getting involved and asking administration to make changes. Do we want change? Well, look at the poll figures. Phill has already stated on this thread that they are willing to listen and possibly make the changes requested if it doesn’t become a coding nightmare and someone with the skills necessary steps up.
P.S. I subbed a public message on the SS informing everyone of these polls a couple of days ago. I had 100 listens to the message. Prior to that I sent emails to as many people as possible.
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chamjam
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:25 pm |
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planet_bill @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:57 pm wrote: Wow, I don't get it. I've only read the first page of this long thread, but I don't see what the problem is. As far as I know there isn't really anything wrong with SS is there? I sub there all the time and all my subs are 'C' with never any problems. If I get a critique I take it in stride though I admit I don't always like it. But even if you do a perfect job there are always people that you don't please. Plus, I really don't see people posting any defamatory or rude stuff in SS. Maybe I just haven't been to the right place yet? People in SS from my experience are really great.
One note, I'd say that this poll should be placed under the forum for Singers Showcase as I believe that only people that are qualified and set up for SS should be able to vote and change the rules on it.
Bill
You obviously have been on a SS vacation......
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Personally if I had to choose it would be to do away with the option to edit a comment on SS. If its not good enough to be able to edit a response to a comment, then the commenter shouldnt have that option either.
Lets make it fair on all, if someone is going to be snipey then let them be seen and judged for it, not change their minds or change their words once the subber has responded
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:31 pm |
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MorganLeFey @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:26 pm wrote: Personally if I had to choose it would be to do away with the option to edit a comment on SS. If its not good enough to be able to edit a response to a comment, then the commenter shouldnt have that option either. Lets make it fair on all, if someone is going to be snipey then let them be seen and judged for it, not change their minds or change their words once the subber has responded
I agree wholeheartedly.
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:35 pm |
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thanks hun. I think if that ONE thing was implemented immediately we would see a change, perhaps not in the tendancy for folks to get upset, but at least in the fact that the perpetrators of the snide nasty comments would either have to think first or be exposed for what they are
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:41 pm |
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Sher wrote: Speaking of cars ... each year the new model is improved and better than the last ~ hopefully..... because new gadgets, protective devices and feedback from consumers made it so.
That is an excellent analogy, Sher! :worship:
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:46 pm |
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michaeljayklein wrote: If any changes are made to the SS format here is another suggestion: Is there a way to increase the amount of space given for titles? Also, could punctuation be allowed as well? Perhaps trimming back the space allocated for the original performer would allow more space for the title without having to drastically reformat the entire grid. Thank you... Odie @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:41 pm wrote: I'm seeing a lot of great ideas floating around up here. But I'm wondering, just how long of a "wish list" do we want to present to Admin? If we give them a list that's too long they might be overwhelmed and not know exactly where to start (if at all). Can we agree upon what the bare essential changes should be? Or do we want to take our chances and present the whole shebang all at once?
I think since that's not such a hot button issue, maybe Michael can present it as a suggestion in the COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS & QUESTIONS forum. Michael, whatcha think?
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:46 pm |
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Quote: P.S. I subbed a public message on the SS informing everyone of these polls a couple of days ago. I had 100 listens to the message. Prior to that I sent emails to as many people as possible. This is good !! I think what's proposed must be in view of ALL in SS to see. Like a ticker-tape RIGHT in SS. ALL should be included in this. Remember, some avoid these bboards like a plague too, a few have stated why in the past, not all listen to your subs, etc.. Email to ALL is a good idea, but ALL must receive this, and it will likely take longer than by the 24th for this to happen ! Whatever most want is what it should be IMO... AND of course, what Administration wants ulimately. This way we can't go wrong (until we find out there's no panacea to certain probs, but that's next chapter) LOL Quote: I’m gonna be very simple here….why can’t people be NICE???
Simple question ? sorry. MOST can be. Few can be 100% of the time.
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:50 pm |
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You know, the 24th is not set in stone. This was actually first posted with no end date. Odie suggested the end of the month, Chuck suggested a few days. I kept it somewhere in between. If anyone thinks this poll should go on any longer than the 24th, please let me know.
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Luly
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:59 pm |
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I'll record another message when it's getting closer to the end date.
That way, I get to hear more people tell me how sexy my speaking voice sounds...
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Shotgun CC
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:19 pm |
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Luly ...... maybe you could compose an email ... (or some can, it doesn't have to be you if you are too busy) with the four or five suggested changes have been... listed and clearly and simply explained. Then.... send it to phill ..... and ask him to send it out. He sent out a holiday greetings email .... that I THINK all but those with outdated emails received .... so we know he has a complete list. In the email.... tell them there will be a vote (pick a date) with the items explained in the email. Then... the day of the vote....... set up the vote...... and the results will be clearly visible to all. Whatever is voted in ..... we will then submit to ADMIN as the wishes of the Majority.
Do you wish to see an ACCEPT COMMENT button on subs requesting ciritque Y or N
Do you wish to have a BLOCK button .... that you can use to keep certain posters away from your page. Y or N
Do you wish to see the EDIT COMMENT box eliminated? Y or N
Do you wish to have a CRITIQUE area added to the forum and remove that option from the option list while submitting Y or N
Do you wish to see the numbers (RANK FEATURE) ommitted Y or N
If I am forgetting any .... please feel free to add.
I think this will get a lot of response and then it will be easy to see how to prioritize (Odie's question) and what we can omit ~ when a list is sent to ADMIN.
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:27 pm |
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geez woman you have such a good memory!!!
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:29 pm |
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Right CCindy, as with ANY petition, or "notice to all residents", you need to keep in mind people are generally lazy, and won't read something that's not composed of several bullets. If you get wordy like I do. noone will read it !
IE....
Heading
. yackity yadda yadda
. blah blah yack
. Etc.. blab blab....oogly oogly yack
Please submit to ______ by _____
Thanks
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