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 Post subject: Re: Greetings From NYC!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:52 am 
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Thank you Dani !

First things first.. Falsetto will wait !  Much appreciated !  Yep,  I will certainly work on volume because what you say is true, it creates frustration in the listener. agreed 100%

Thanks again !


ADDED IN:  I need to establish a bass range, and I think it's likely around baritone ?? Well Norwegion wood area I think is baritone.. not sure. So this is good to know, and that's where I'll focus for now.  Rather than hover the falsetto areas where I just basically end up treading water throughout the song..

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:59 am 
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Look at these ranges
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Nikon%20D80%20(Body%20Only)%20Digital%20Camera:1994229104



I'm thinking the D-40 might not be a camera that folks can grow into when compared to the D-80 ??????   Dunno,  is 6.1 MP really enough even assuming the quality is good for enlarging ?
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Nikon%20D40 ... 1994466305

OK,  need to get outdoors TTYL

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Steven Kaplan @ Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:59 am wrote:
Look at these ranges
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Nikon%20D80%20(Body%20Only)%20Digital%20Camera:1994229104



I'm thinking the D-40 might not be a camera that folks can grow into when compared to the D-80 ??????   Dunno,  is 6.1 MP really enough even assuming the quality is good for enlarging ?
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Nikon%20D40 ... 1994466305

OK,  need to get outdoors TTYL


I'd go for the Nikon D80, it's clearly a better make.   :yes:

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RAVEN @ Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:44 am wrote:
Mr. Kaplan,

Okay, here goes...

First thing is the volume on your vocals.  I know I have mentioned it before, but it is sooooo very important.  Just imagine this - You pay $75.00 for a ticket to see your favorite singer, and when the concert starts, his mic isn't working so great & you can hardly hear him over the music.  You'd probably leave right? That or rush the ticket booth to get your money back!  LOL

I actually like the vibrato in your voice, there are some people who really hate that, but I like it very much, it takes a lot of practice to be able to control vibrato.  Many people just quiver their vocal chords thinking that it makes a song sound better, but too much is overkill, and it sounds forced.  Yours was just fine.   :yes:

I do like the song for you, you sounded very comfortable singing it.  That is so important!  Overall I think you are improving greatly, and soon you'll have enough confidence to sub a song in the showcase!  :shock:

You'll be just fine!  :hi5:


I second that emphatically. Getting a mixer is a very good idea. Make sure it has the effects you need, probably goes without saying.

If you want to scrap falsetto for now that might help you narrow down four focus. I think it's a good idea for now but don't count it out, GiGi and I like your falsetto and think you should come back to it later.

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ADDED IN:  I need to establish a bass range, and I think it's likely around baritone ?? Well Norwegion wood area I think is baritone.. not sure.


I think it's second tenor because I can sing it an octave lower when I first wake up, like just now. The important thing is if it feels good do it. It really helps to start in the middle of your range and later to push the envelope. I could be wrong of course.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:47 am 
Steven Kaplan @ October 28th 2007, 8:12 am wrote:
soon as I got off the computer I started hearing noises... Even saw shapes when I looked at my bedroom door... Too strange.. and I'm not one to believe in this stuff really, but it freaks me out still..


Kappy <---- tres groggy


OK,  If nobody's awake yet.. I'm going to get some more sleep.
btw,  be honest.  What color pants should I wear with my voice ?


No worries. It was just us trying to mess with your head. That was way too easy.  :dancin:


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WOW.. second tenor would be PERFECT !!   That's actually where I want to be (or have wanted to be)... My guess is around mid-40's  (you know,  around the usually time a guy reaches puberty) my voice changed.. Or maybe I just never used it enough to know... But second tenor would be Ideal !!  :worship:

Thanks again !

Yeah,  I think what can happen is because falsetto requires less breath control and is much easier for me,  it should probably wait until I get used to real voice... Singing in real voice is probably (I guess but don't know) where my priorities should be... That takes more breath control and concentration and it's nothing I've ever really done enough of given proper song selection, so that's where I'll focus for now.  The falsetto I've always had so I SERIOUSLY doubt I'd lose that UNLESS developing chest voice can in some way detract or pull away from falsetto ability.. Again I don't know anything about this.. But I appreciate all the input !  Really do !

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No worries. It was just us trying to mess with your head. That was way too easy.  



OK,   because I don't like poltergeists just dropping in at all hours unannounced,  it can be so rude,  plus they always have attitudes !  Can't please these angry noisy kids !    OK,  NOW.. to get outside !!

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 Post subject: Re: Greetings From NYC!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:57 am 
Steven Kaplan @ October 28th 2007, 11:46 am wrote:


Lena,  you want to hear my cursing again.. I decided to take on a challenge WAY WAY over my head... LMAO  So obviously I didn't expect to be able to handle this one but my god, not only is it out've my range, he's ALL over the place...
http://www.ksolo.com/actions/showSongPr ... uid=391398



You crack me up, Kappy.  LMAO


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Glenn Campbell has always been one of my favorite vocalists.. He's an emotional singer, and the guy has an amazing range. I'm not sure if he can cover both 2nd and 1st tenor range making a smooth transition into falsetto so it's not noticeable, or whether his range is more limited, and he just can transition smoothly between registers of his ability, none-the-less, I always admired his range and ability.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:01 pm 
I agree such a beautiful voice.


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It really helps to start in the middle of your range and later to push the envelope. I could be wrong of course.



Middle of my range would be roughly around B-Bb just below middle-C.  So I'm not sure where that would place me..

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Andy Williams too Lena,  but a few of his brothers appear to be equally as good, and one better IMHO

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 Post subject: Re: Greetings From NYC!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:16 pm 
Steven this is some advice jbsinger gave me on a critique of a song I posted called "One Fine Day"


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Seby is right about easing your body posture and tension by lowering your shoulders (and unclenching your hands - another tension thing).  

Lena you have such a sweet voice, don't change that.  Have you ever seen Sister Act?  Whoopi G tells a nun who sings in her throat to support her tone from her midsection - not to change her tone which was lovely, but to get more volume without changing her attitude.  

The other thing you might try, and this is a tough one to explain without showing you, is to place your sound higher in your head by raising your soft palate (the soft part of your mouth right behind the hard roof of your mouth).  Your sound should resonate from the front of your face in the bony part of your skull right behind your nose.  Remember how your mouth feels right before you yawn?  That's the position your palate should be in to start singing in your head.  It takes some practice, but if you perfect that position, you will be able to sing any high note in your range without difficulty and your throat will very seldom get tired from singing.  It will even serve you well when you are practicing to increase the top and bottom of your range.




When I was singing Wake Up Call this is what I was trying to practice. People who hear me sing in the off line world noticed the difference. (I only let them hear my finished recording, and I didn't tell them I did anything different).

The interesting thing is... toward the end of the song, I felt the resonance in my face. Especially around my nose. That's never happened to me before. So far I haven't been able to duplicate it, either. I now hate my microphone because while I was singing, my voice sounded "full" in a way I've never heard it before and on the recording it sounds "thin" to me. (the dry vocal).

I've closely watched two singers (Donny Osmond, Celine Dion) and when they sing it's like you're hearing this finely tuned, airy sort of instrument. There is something going on around their noses.

Dani has that quality too, (finely tuned, airy sort of instrument sound) so maybe she can help us by explaining her posture while she's singing and if she feels any resonance in her face? I think if we can learn to duplicate that, we will really improve our singing. jmo


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I only thought the Opera singers actually resonated from their sinus cavities and all parts of their body.  I wasn't aware this was done in pop styles too..  Am I supposed to be belting and really trying to project MOST standard styles when I sing ?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:23 pm 
I honestly don't know but that is one thing people are always telling me, JUST BELT IT OUT, Lena !


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I just want to get good enough to sing love ballad duets with Billy LMAO

Milo gets so jealous when Billy and I flirt !

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LMAO


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Billy doesn't even know I'm singing in here yet,  she'd be so impressed !

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:57 pm 
Now that's what I call "sneaky". She's gonna whip your azz when she finds out!  :O  LMAO


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Hey my Schizofriendly pals,

Okay, I am going to try to explain my singing techniques, but the truth is, I don't have any sort of professional training, so it's all probably going to sound crazy! lolol

Three times a week, I sniff, yes sniff, warm salt water.  It sounds weird, I know.  My friend from work told me about this method of cleansing the sinuses.  I suffer from sinus infections, so he recommended I do this to clear them up when I am congested.  But it can be done daily if you chose to.  I researched it and many professional singers do it as well, especially theatre folk.  

At first it feels strange and it might be a bit gross, but you will get used to it.  After you do it, your nose will run for about a minute, just keep blowing it.  When you are done, it feels totally amazing, and goodness your voice will sound as clear as a bell.  Like I said, I do that three times a week.  You have to hold one nostril closed, and sniff the water up, a little will do ya fine! Then do the next nostril.  

The second thing I do is learn the song I am going to sing word for word.  I find that having a piece of paper in front of me distracts me, and I tend to shift away from the mic in order to focus on the lyrics.  So lyrics sheets to me is a no no!

The third thing I do is internalize the song, and this is where the emotion comes from.  

I close my eyes {Seriously} and I listen to the original song, and I put myself into the situation of the person who is singing it.  I imagine just what they were going through when they recorded the song.  I focus & I mean focus on the emotional aspect of the song.  By the time the song is over, it is a part of me.  I take that feeling and I project it into my recording.  

It's funny because so many people ask me how I get so emotional when I sing a song, and that is the reason.  I just feel every song I sing!  You can really hear the difference between a person who feels a song, as opposed to a person who is just reciting the lyrics of a song.  It's a huge difference indeed!

So there it is, I don't have any technical methods or tricks that I do, I don't warm up my vocals, I never had any training, I don't know the difference between styles of singing etc...I just sing, I can't really explain it...97% of the time, I record my songs in 1 take.  Truth be known, I am NEVER satisfied with my recordings, I always can find something that I can improve on.  

Now that I rambled, I am going to sniff some warm salt water!  :shock:

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