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no can do dog, but i will get you a "gurus angels" box (see lunch box thread)

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After reading all this again..it seems to be a group concensus that the rank has no meaning. I told you months ago Vik that you are the one and only rank I have ever given. I gave you a 9 on a song when I first joined- then, after hearing some of the '10's" I was horrified that I had basically insulted you by ranking you less than them. I have never given a rank since. I think it ought to be taken off as a feature. Nathan said that he joined partly because of rank- but why would it be appealing?  Unless they are giving cash prizes away for a perfect 10 who cares?

If you are going to perform in any way you need to learn and ALWAYS keep in mind- There will always be thouse that love you, those that don't- and those that couldn't care less...that is true even with the best professional in the biz. That's why there are so many genres and styles of music. Again- I try to be supportive in my comments but if I see something that could be improved upon- I'm gonna say it. I got some flack at first but then everyone seemed to realise that sometimes I'm gonna praise them like no tomorrow( because I presonally like what they did) and sometimes I'm going to tell them "it wasn't my favorite" and then I'll tell them specifically why. My pet peeve is when i read a comment that tells someone they need to be better- then doesn't offer any helpful advice/ I think you should say whatever you feel like saying as long as its true, tactful and offered in a positive/supportive manner. I don't think bashing has any place on a karaoke site...but that doesn't mean honesty has to be out the window. I've gotten the most flack from people that don't agree with me praising certain people. They accuse me of fluffing.

Sometimes- when there is no hope of improvement- Yeah- I do fluff. But if I think someone has talent- and can benefit from me being honest- I'll also say what I think. So in a way- if I say something negative and you feel insulted-get over it- I'm actually giving you the highest compliment I can.  :whistle:

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The ranking feature does indeed lure in new singers Paula, the vast majority of new members coming in sub under C initially, i'll bet you did too. You can't really put a price on a good ego stroking, it's just human nature.

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see for me its totally confusing Paula...its never been an issue with me if someone wants to rank me low...the issue for me is that some fluff while ranking. That is hypocrisy. Its no big deal either way cos I still get booked and I still get paid...BUT if someone wishes to defend their right to do it that way then allow me the same courtesy and respect the opinions I have on the subject. Rank me as low as you like it will not worry me, so long as you front up and say you are doing so.

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I understand where your coming from Vicki, but the fact is, 9 out of 10 people don't have the nerve to say why their ranking you low, they would rather just give you the rank they think you deserve and get the heck out of there.....Everyone in SS is guilty of giving a ranking less than 10 and not giving a reason....and why do they need to? There isn't one singer in the SS that is a consistant 10 or realistically even a consistant 8, it's fantasyland...

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On another note....Even those who criticize the fluff train hop on for a ride occasionally, one quick scan down the front page makes that quite obvious......

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not counting me of course.....

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Oh yea, I forgot about Mikey....but you can play instruments, that's not fair.....

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Like I said...I only ranked one time- period. I gave Vik a 9...and i never ranked another soul. I comment all the time but I never rankand I never will. And Nathan- I respect you immensely- but the times I subbed somethin as a "c" i could have cared less about the number they gave me. I was more interested in the helpful comments. To Me a "c" means tell me if it can be better and how....a "J" means - I'm just sharing and I know it's not perfect- so tell me how it makes you feel or what it means to you- all in a good way of course. I can't imagine how a newbie would want a 10 over someone spelling out how they feel. I'll take a comment over a number any day. To be honest- there are many- especially rockers- that I just don't feel qualified to comment. if I like what they are doing I tell them- if I don't i don't say anything. I don't know enough to make suggestions in that genre. So I may say positives in that arena when they aren't deserved. That;'s just my ignorance speaking in most cases...not fluff.  :whistle:  But as I said I try to be honest. There are sometimes when i just don't have the energy to get my point across in 1000 letters. So I'll focus on the positive and gloss over any imperfections. I don't understand why it can't be a fun AND learning experience at the same time. people act like it has to be one or the other. I don't think so. JMHO

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It isn't the ability to critique others that lures folks in, but the ability to be critiqued.  People are competitive by nature, anyone who denies it is flat out lying. And I do understand where your coming from, giving a well thought out critique is not easy to do, it takes time, and well, your not getting paid for it, so why even bother, especially when the end result will usually be negative for YOU the critiquer. Very few people on here have the genuine desire to want to improve, they want to be told their good enough already, and usually that's what they get. I think your better off saving your energy and just letting things be fluffy, that's how people like it. Of course anyone has the right to critique honestly, but your efforts will be for not 99 percent of the time. The critique thread has been open for a long time, and how many have taken advantage of it? nuff said.......

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critique thread? What have I missed in the last 3 weeks?

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Oh it's about 8 columns down, pretty popular place, Kappy is doing his best to keep it alive....

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BTW....40 people have viewed it, and there is a grand total of 1 participant.....

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well dahlin I would be a participant and will be as soon as I can control my voice ... giving up smoking has left me in the twilight zone vocally and nothing I am doing at present is worthy of critique

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The answer to the question posed by the title of this thread seems rather obvious... anyone who submits a song under 'C'.  If you don't want an honest critique, then sub under 'J' or 'L'

The critique thread may be a good idea for some, but for others it is another diatribe that takes up way too much time to wade through.  Maybe if it were a separate forum with each topic listed as the singer's name and song, then it would work.  As it is, a singer enters the details and then that gets lost in all the other responses to other singers.

I joined up with this fantastic site in October of this year so I guess I’m still a “newbie”. However,  I have learned quite a bit in a short amount of time here. I agree with many that the ranking system should go. It serves no “real” purpose. I’ve decided not to include it in my subs any longer. I do appreciate all comments/critiques though, and as I’ve said before, I can tell when I’m getting a sincere comment as opposed to fluff. I don’t critique your subs unless asked. That’s just how it is with me. If it’s a good performance and I liked it, I’ll comment on that. I do have an issue that I would like comment on though. How do you think this scenario could have happened………… You rank someone a 9 and they got it as a 7. I know this is true because (1) I have never ranked ANYONE as low as a 7 and (2) when I went back in to edit my comment the “9” was still there in the box. So while I know it was a misunderstanding it caused problems and I was wondering if it could have been an error in the system. Anyway, because of it, I too will join the ranks of the non-ranking because I really do want this to be a positive experience for everyone…….Pat

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Paddy *sigh* you are still not quite getting it dear. go back and read my comment. I used the 7 as an example. I did not say you gave me a 7, it was a hypothetical example of the kind of comment I would prefer to have from you or anyone else that uses rank. Now do you understand where I am coming from? I selected 7 because as many here will attest to I have always stated my performances are more 7-8 than they are 10.
Are we on the same planet now?
By the way if I dont answer any response you may have to this, it is because it is 10.03am and I am heading to the city for the day for meetings with graphic designers.
Hopefully when I return I will see you have finally understood my position

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Well Vicki, I don't know if I understand your position or not. Maybe I do now that your position now is different than I read it as so.....read on and let's see.


Vicki,  then what was the point you were trying to get across to me? If you didn't think I rated you a 7, then what was the problem? why those comments to me? (I do need an answer to that one)

I gave you a nice comment and rated you a 9?  it sure sounded like from your comment that you thought I ranked you low but said nice things and that was confusing to you,  so I wanted you to know that I didn’t rank you a 7, but a 9.

As an aside here……Sometime we ought to start a thread on here stating the difficulties of getting ones point(s) across using the "written word" format as opposed to being face to face, It's sometimes very difficult, don't you agree?

So let me get this straight. You say that you understand that I rated you a 9 with nice comments....BUT....you wanted me to explain why I gave you such a high rating when you thought you were more deserving of a 7-8 rating?..If that's what page you’re on...then I'm there.  I understand where you’re coming from in your thinking but I still think you’re from Venus.

You are a good singer Vicki but I don't agree with you that one should have to explain ones reasoning for giving a high rank. I simply give them based on how much I personally liked the performance and now I'm even re-thinking that. I'm leaning more towards comments only from now on. See, I don't feel I'm necessarily here to critique....lots of folks may feel differently but  I don't feel comfortable doing that unless specifically asked. I either like your performance or I don't.

So, do you think I understand your position now? Or do you think I'm just a lost cause? either way is ok with me Vicki but I do wish you well.

If you want to continue this send me an e-mail because it's getting a little much. But go ahead and have the last word here. We may even be on the same page now. I just don’t know. Pat       scrummy at nospammail.net

PS   and I hope your meeting go well.

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ok I give up

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As i don't know where it is, I didn't read the comment by Vicki being referred to.  But reading betweeen the lines here, it seems Vicki has an issue with those who give great comments to a singer and then giving a rating below what those comments seem to express.  (eg. "Excellent singing, great mix, totally rocks" and then rating it as 8 or 9, with no reason for it not being a 10).

It is irrelevant whatever the rating given is, but at least give a comment that relates to the rating you give.  (eg. "great job, really enjoyed this.  However there were a few pitch problems "here" and timing was out "there".  But for that, this would totally rock" and then give a rating of 8 (or whatever).)

Hope I got that right Vicki