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I'm with you Vik...It's fair to say that I listen and comment more than 90% of the time. I usually sub once a week- not more than that- but I listen every day.

Joyce- I think you are the one- it was either you or Vik that told me that I should not only reply to every comment- but should go listen to the commentor as a courtesy. I have tried to be diligent about that. I may miss one here and there- But I know for a fact that I have responded to every single person that took the time to listen and comment on my subs...most of the time I went and heard them as well- PLUS commented there in addition to my initial comment. ...I also don't like the mentality that many people only comment to GET comments. Then again I joined the SS with a different agenda than most. I got on here to help those that I could and to meet other serious musicians as friends. I think I have been and am successful on both counts.

But back to the thread topic-it seems to be general concensus that it is impolite NOT to respond to those that leave comments. I also like  both you and Viks idea NOT to comment on those that do these things...but curiosity killed this cat. I ENJOY listening to people- so that's hurting ME too - to deny myself hearing a sub I want to hear. So My next question is - Is it bad manners to write the person you have commented and let them know that you'd like an acknowledgement of you time and comments?

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Joyce- I think you are the one- it was either you or Vik that told me that I should not only reply to every comment- but should go listen to the commentor as a courtesy. I have tried to be diligent about that. I may miss one here and there- But I know for a fact that I have responded to every single person that took the time to listen and comment on my subs...most of the time I went and heard them as well- PLUS commented there in addition to my initial comment. ...I also don't like the mentality that many people only comment to GET comments. Then again I joined the SS with a different agenda than most. I got on here to help those that I could and to meet other serious musicians as friends. I think I have been and am successful on both counts.


Paula- First, let me clarify: No, it wasn't me that told you. Sometimes I don't get around to  going to everyone that commented on my song and listening and commenting on theirs either because of time or I am not in the mood to listen to that certain song. That's just me. My listening /comment method differs from many. I like to feel I am listening to the radio as I did many years ago. I listened because I wanted to, not because I felt obligated to listen to every song that was played on the radio or in this case on the front board at SS. Nor do I expect people to listen to me all the time. It's nice & courteous and all but I hold no rule in it.  I sing many genres and my way of thinking is that some people aren't going to like certain song choices of mine and I would rather have them not visit that song at all just because I went to theirs.  


As far as asking for acknowledgment, there's no guarantee they'll respond to that either! Folks just use the new favorite 4 letter word- B-U-S-Y to the best of their advantage... example, earlier in the year a singer that doesn't frequent SS often came to a song of mine and gave me a very general critique on a song I posted. The song was not up for critique but I respected this person and just wanted to know exactly what she meant so I could possibly improve the song, so I pm'd her. To this date, she's never opened the message. Different subject matter I know but same question mark feeling..?????

Your incorrect. Where does "Hence Karaoke" mean lack of professionalism should exist in all settings, and talented singers don't fit in ?  That total BS, Sure,  romper room type karaoke exists in many bars,  it's what makes money.. But it's not factually what Karaoke is, or means, Karaoke scene is not a bar..    No place in Karaoke (Definition- Empty Orchestra) is talented vocalist precluded.  In fact SOME only go to Karaoke nights when the talented vocalists can have their space to participate in what they consider to be aesthetically pleasing music, without having to have a large band backing them... Some of us that LOVE KARAOKE can't stand NOISE, can't stand total babyishness, and realize Karaoke DOES NOT have to mean deterioration of a performing art..We have a respect for music, we realize Karaoke IS MUSIC believing musicians have AS MUCH a right to it as hacks do, and we too have every right to wish to see some degree of respect, dignity, and etiquette remain, otherwise Karaoke is reduced to nursery school mentality where EVERYBODY must be a "9 or 10 rank" lest tantrums are thrown and babies kick...  Karaoke itself is MUSIC and IS backing only, just so happens *Karaoke* isn't "hacks" either, the bands covering the original artists are AMAZINGLY talented musicians !! NO rule in Karaoke excludes those that respect singing, appreciate talent from having a place *EQUAL to* anybody elses. Nothing ever excluded Karaoke as a session training tool for MUSICIANS...
What many in the showcase are getting away with at the expense of exhibiting prejudice against serious singers (which is VERY wrong) is forming their own definition that Singers SHowcase being in a Karaoke forum means the activity is casual anything goes fun and games bar karaoke only so they've assumed it's for hacks with a casual attitude only", Yet the intensity comes when somebody threatens their high rank average, or offers a critique to thoses stating they want one, so even that's hypocritical.  These same individuals are the outspoken group that have decided singers showcase is to be "Just Karaoke showcase" ( but where does it state in the definition of singers showcase that it's not for serious singers to take part in too Murlin? and it's wrong to acknowledge the actual definition of the term Critique ?  IT DOESN'T STATE THAT EITHER. It states it's for ALL to display their music !) but for many a nursery school type all fun and games setting is what they want, so that's not wrong for them. However the serious musicians wishing to coexist and also have fun within a live and let live atmosphere (meaning letting you folks do WHATEVER you please is the intent) aren't welcome to share your showcase, since YOU FOLKS are the ones that have decided Karaoke is to exclude us, because we are too intense and that bothers you..
Nowhere in the definition of Karaoke, or within THIS site is YOUR OWN perspective backed up !  It's just prevalent in "Party game karaoke".

Singers Showcase is where people listen to SINGERS... and for some babyish reason in showcase there's prejudice towards serious singer/musicians but Why ?  Because the mainstream has been allowed to do their thing so it stays fantasy because to them that's whats fun. So since KS has been nice enough to allow democracy to rule (which is also conducive to membership increasing) the fantasyworld lives on and you folks all continue to fear some element of REALNESS permeating your stepford showcase will not be fun for you to be around even though you have a right to ignore it... So yes,  those that want to just have fun and not see musicians interacting in Karaoke showcase have gotten their way.. Others ignore the babyishness and sub despite it, and wanting nothing to do with political alignment still sub despite the fact they aren't fluffing, bullxitting and campaigning for popularity.. but for those with the expectation that SOME respect in an interactive area of music should be maintained NOTHING about Karaoke by definition excludes us !  In fact many of us ended up finding our own bars on nights that we could escape the abominable noise of the hack singers because believe it or not, some of us know what talent is, wish to see talent maintained in the arts, realize Singing is an artform, and REFUSE to go to bars nights when Karaoke seems to be synonymous with "Noise pollution"...

Singers Forum, and a "Singers Showcase", is for ALL singers.   I wasn't aware that a few that redefine "Critique" as "Tell me how great I am only", and "Serious musicians staying out've a babyish environment that's a fantasyworld" was the TRUE definition of "Karaoke" NOR do I believe this is how Singers Showcase was originally designed.  It should allow serious and casual to coexist, but that would involve MATURITY, and acceptance of reality...

Don't use "Karaoke" as a term meaning,  quality vocalist go elsewhere !!   That's erroneous, Karaoke does not mean "talented vocalists aren't to participate", that's personal opinion and nothing more !

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Yes.

You will notice that those who do not reply to comment in the long run will get few if any comments to their songs. This also is true for those who hardly commented on others people songs.

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Absolutley....You get out of SS what you put into it....if someone wants to come in and drop a song and then split, they can do that. Plenty of folks couldn't care less if they have 5 comments or 50...If Steve Perry himself came in and posted a song, but didn't reciprocate listens or reply to comments, his comment count would dwindle to nothin'....I wonder if he would care?

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If Karaoke is  partially defined by reading the lyrics from a screen then many big name acts are karaoke.. In concert Babs Streisand & Linda Ronstadt read from the screen...

I wonder if they would respond to comments???

I have to agree with you Paula. I always reply to every comment left for me. I fully appreciate every comment given and take the time to let the person know how much it meant to me. I'm only subbing once a week right now just because of those crazy time constraints I have. When I get a little extra time, I'll pop in and grab a listen or two, however, if I'm going to post a song, I make sure that I make the time to listen, comment and reply. If I don't have the time, I don't post the song no matter how much I want to share it.

I know a lot of the stuff I sing is very unconventional and I'm experimenting with all kinds of crazy metal vocal techniques. Some may not think its serious music, but I work really hard on a lot of my subs...probably as much so as the "serious" singers I keep seeing referenced in the forums. Yes it is mainly for my own entertainment, but I get a charge out of sharing some of the craziness with others. I was a serious musician for many years and although I still put a lot of effort into what I do, now its time for me to have some fun with it as well.

I'm grateful for each and every comment I receive. I also take time to listen as this is definitely a two way street, and I've heard some wonderful singing by doing so. I know the stuff I do isn't everyone's cup of tea yet so many have been supportive of my efforts. I do my best to reply to comments in less than 24 hours so that it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

I know when I comment on someone's sub, I love to read their responses...I can't say I get upset if they don't, but I do feel its rude.

Anyway just my rambling thoughts on the topic. I for one will always reply to comments and continue to listen when I can because I do enjoy it, and when I have the time to devote, I will post a song. That works the best for me.

Drea \m/

Kappy, I expected someone as smart as you to be able see the big picture here man..

I have owned and operated my own business for about 3 decades now...
So I look at everything from a Business POV... perhaps that was the wrong viewpoint to take about the SS.  But you will have to excuse me because it is force of habit...

I never did anything to put down the fine singers here in this community.

But from a business POV, I saw right away the way that the ranking system was flawed beyond repair in the SS.  There is no way to police it, and if you did you would run off your paying customers and to pay for operating expenses this site needs cashflow otherwise it would be totally free.  I could be totally wrong about that, but it was the POV I was using that when I made my "it's only Karaoke" comment.

That's all I was saying about this being a karaoke forum, and not a pro singer forum.
I was saying that from a business POV this site is supported by karaoke singers and not pro singers.  Sure there are many, many fine singers in here, but this place has a high turn rate I am guessing...

I did not make fun of any one here.  You are the one who has been running his mouth and putting everyone down.  

I have only been to 2 karaoke bars in my life.  One was when I first joined this site an the other time was years ago.  I was not drunk either time.

Personally I would not make my livelihood having to deal with a bunch of drunks, and to be generalized and thrust into that category is quite offensive to me.  Just as was some of your lengthy posts that made generalizations that called us in the SS as delusional, living in a fantasy land, ecetra...ectera...ectera...for all I knew you were speaking directly to me and I had done nothing to anyone.

The reason I keep coming to this site is to share my music to who ever wanted to listen, and listen to others that I had something in common with...this place is my karaoke night out...and since I am paying for it, I think it is quite reasonable to use like that if I want to.

But you tell me that It is people like me that have ruined this place and excluded the pros...What a croc of horse manure...

Dude you sometimes whine and moan like a little school gurl...

I can totally understand wanting the Ranking system to mean something, but the only way it is going to be that way is to re-compile the code and change everything around...and that is a management decision and the users have nothing what so ever to do with it.  If anyone is delusional, it is the ones thinking that the majority of internet users are all going to be mature and do the right thing because it is right...
Just how long have you been on the net anyways...



I do admire your passion though man.

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with all due respect Kappy I gotta agree with Murlin on this one and if the gym slip fits...

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The site is supported by BOTH.  There are quite a few pro-ability singers that are paying contributors as well.

ALL have this same right !  You have no exclusive right. Nor do you have a right to interfere or judge how ANYBODY else wishes to use the showcase. If pro-singers existing alongside of you poses some threat to you, that's YOUR problem. Your own rights, and feeling regarding pro-singers isn't accurate nor is it in the sites description. You aren't the one to determine what "business model" the showcase takes, nor am I. Yet I've stated ALL have a right to get out've the showcase what they wish to including the professional singers you claim don't fit in a "Karaoke" site. You have several times implied This is not a professional singers Forum.  This site is a Karaoke site...hence the name "Karaoke Scene" to cite why pro singers don't fit in, in fact you go further by attempting to substantiate this with "If this were a site for pro singers, it wouldn't be called Karaoke Scene". The reality is you have NO right as one individual member in here to pass your opinion or a personal belief as being factual representation as to what this Karaoke site and the showcase "is" when such a statement excludes or alienates others.  In this case professional singers who SHOULD have no probs coexisting in the showcase do, because of this exact type attitude.  What you state is opinion, yet it's being presented by you as factual.  Your statements repeatedly imply professional singers do not belong ! That's the problem I have with your ongoing self-serving definition as to what Singers Showcase is. What gives you such a right to be so presumptuous ? Show us where your premise is "documented" anyplace ? Meaning Karaoke means not for pro singers?

You are correct,  some of us jump on these types of nonsense stataements because they're false but passed onto others as factual "description" rather than opinion. What is factual is ALL have a right to use the site as THEY wish without your implication that "pro singers don't belong in Karaoke Scene".  So call me a whiner, but I'm jumping on the crux of what the current problem is (meaning those of you intolerant of those of us wishing to use Critique AS critique, Rank as true rank, and have ALL do their thing without interfering or restricting the site from those that believe differently.  It's annoying and wrong when some of you in the showcase pass opinion as a factual site description to vindicate why Professional Singers do not belong sharing the same site, and reference the forum name or "Karaoke" as your source of documentation.  Singers showcase was intended for a heterogenous group of people interested in singing to SHARE the SAME showcase,  And that currently isn't the case.   Nobody is saying you can't sub in the showcase if you aren't good, or non-pro, or serious about singing.  Similarly you have NO right implying your opinion is anything beyond YOUR opinion.  Karaoke works VERY well for professional singers too !


Preface your opinions as such, without running your own mouth off trying to integrate them falsely into site description, Karaoke definition, impinging your own wishes. Most of us KNOW site description, and the definition of Karaoke, and it's NOT what you define it to be.  It's wrong to make these types of statements that segregate those that take pride in their singing such as "chill, if you care about music go to a musicians area or take lessons in real, Karaoke isn't for real musicians anyway, it just for fun don't take it seriously", or This is not a professional singers Forum.  This site is a Karaoke site...hence the name "Karaoke Scene" and If I want to hear pros singing, I'll by CD's.  These comments are JUST your opinion. Don't use they to depict how Singers Showcase should exist because what's happening is such opinions are forming a segregation in Singers Showcase, and whether you see it or not, telling pro musicians to go elsewhere.  It's clear when viewing SS from the outside that it's not the serious singers that are excluding or disallowing anybody from having their fun, or fantasy realm, many that are serious would be happy to indulge you with your '9's and 10's to keep you happy,  in fact MANY DO. I'm putting down the babies in the Showcase who feel threatened by seeing somebody such as myself acknowledging that I'm at best a 4 rank singer, and being quite satisfied with receiving a LOW rank that I deserve, or wanting to SEE that 4 because it's what I really am in terms of lack of ability I wish to be able to improve upon while knowing the current high rank hoarding group feels threatened by a realistic ranking group coexisting. It would bother individuals assuming I even ranked myself a 4 and was satisfied with where I truly am, and that's babyish.

"Business" can run with casual AND pro's alike, you really don't understand this, Singers Showcase isn't a "bar". It's not run by a "KJ" hired to just entertain the numbers.  There's NO reason talented singers that RESPECT the art DO NOT fit into the showcase. It not the existence of musicians and pro-am singers that hurt SS business assuming serious individuals coexist.  The problem isn't the showcase, it's designed to have something for ALL.  The problem *IS* the babies that think serious means too intense for THEIR environment, yet these same rigid individuals just love displaying their BS "10"s, and ironically become quite serious if somebody dare give them what they've asked for "Critique", or dare rank them 9 which is extremely generous in the scope of what they truly are.  Sure, you see this as putting down.. Only difference is I'm saying this in here,  many are saying things behind others backs.... When dishonestly ousts those that are more mature, and wish for something real out've an experience you are damn correct I'm putting the system discrimating against those wishing to utilize what the showcase has to offer down..There's no need to exclude those of us that wish to interact among ourselves doing our own thing, where in KS description does it say if talented singers sing,  YOU can't sing and exchange high ranks if you opt to ? You and many others are turning this into an either/ or scenerio.. Showcase SHOULD be for talent and casual alike to coexist, but due to impinging of opinions and immaturity this is not the case. Plenty in SS take singing seriously and don't go to bars, not all care about the KJ'ing aspect, nor do they need to.  That too is a whole different area. It's individuals that've been allowed to exclude singers, get away with redefining critique only using it in cases of camouflaged bashing while telling those of us that wish to keep it real (so we too can get something out've the showcase), we don't belong while not even being able to reasonably justify your concerns that warrant serious singers not fitting in... If I liked whining like a schoolgirl, I'd join a singers showcase try to shmooze into a clique and scream if I somebody threatened my '10' rank..  You view it as my "passion",  I view it as just trying to carve an area where musicians can coexist in a current setting that was not designed to exclude anybody.  MANY were attracted to this site ONLY because of the level of talent, and musicianship too.  I suppose you can't see that though..  However that too helps business !   Your feelings are YOUR feelings only.  Preface them as such.. NO serious musician or singer has ever told ANYBODY they don't fit into the showcase.  It's been the other way around, and it's truly annoying and unfounded


First people take the liberty to redefine "Critique", now Karaoke means "not a site for pro singers" ?     What gives you the right to make such a statement yet in another breath call others "exclusive" ?  I'm stating Karaoke is for EVERYONE to coexist..


So while I don't believe your feelings are backed by anything substantive, and are just opinion behind a factually based guise.. It's still your opinion and nobody has stated you don't have a right to YOUR opinion if prefaced as such (so those of us that are tired of the current ongoing immaturity and would like a site where we too can interact are now the whiners,  so sue us..AO), but we "whiners" have every right to try to put an end to people falsely expressing opinions posed as fact regarding who does, or does not belong here.  When in reality Showcase is a place for ALL to display their singing ability !  


You asked me how long I've had internet access ?  I've been communicating in stationary bbs venues and have moderated them before the internet existed. I belonged to chat venues in 1975 PRIOR to the internet when the language was Basic, and the DTSS (Dartmouth Time-Sharing System) was interfaced with surrounding college networks. Basic ANS Cobal, 1981 won a Timex Sinclair as a door prize, Belonged to compuserve and had Dow Jones in Extended Basic when modems were 320 baud around 1984 and you could watch the monochrome words form on (tv monitor connected via 75 ohm switch) and local BBS's chattered back and forth letter by letter on the Radio Shack TRS Coco 16's..  I owned a Timex Sinclair,  etc.  Wang computer, Tandy 1000 had AOL when it was 7/hour... 286's, 386, 486SL, DX, DX2, DX4...

Can I stop now  <yawn> This is boring and seriously off topic

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I had never really bothered to look up any details or description of Singer's Showcase until now.  On the home page at the top this is what the founding fathers stated:

"Welcome to Singer's Showcase! - SingersShowcase.com where your vocal performances can be heard all over the world. We offer a unique solution for singers looking to make a major internet presence - upload a recording of your singing to be online."

I'm not seeing any references to "for amateur singers only" or "professional singers preferred" or "solely intended for karaoke singers". You can be a great singer or a bad singer. Just sing your song!

Plus the Singers Showcase FAQ page has some pointers explaining how the Admin intended the comments and ranking routine to operate.  It was interesting reading the SS operators manual for the first time.  LOL  

http://www.singersshowcase.com/faq.php

I don't think SS was really meant to be as complicated and controversial as some people are making it to be. This may sound too simple but I just think we need to learn to work and play well together like in any other club or organization.  Do unto others.........

If you really want to turn SS into something else or form something totally new, then petition the Administration and see what if anything happens.

Of course Don.   Many of us that've been here for years know what the site description is.  This is exactly what's bothering me about certain opinions being presented as representative of "How things are", or "should be".  It totally misleading and inaccurate and should be addressed by those of us losing out of what SHOULD be a heterogenous SINGING group coexisting within the SAME site.



Well, considering I am "bright enough" to know Karaoke has only existed for around two decades, I'm quite impressed that a person who has been in the related area (which is all that would be pertinent to this discussion) for three decades wasn't aware of this.  That aside,  your point is ?

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kappy you are hot under the collar why? The guy never said that he was involved even in a small way in the karaoke industry, in fact he said just the opposite

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Nice to see you had a Wang...

But you wouldn't have even been able to buy one or use one if I HADN'T BUILT THE DAMN TOOLING FOR THE PROGRESSIVE DIES FOR THE CHASSIS AND MADE THE MOLD FOR THE CASE!!!

My Mother is a published author and she bought one of those $6,000 Wangs for her writing...

Get off your high horse dufus!!

I might only have a 100 word vocabulary, but it does not mean I am dumb!

I have made sh!t in the manufacturing industry that Everyone on this freaking board has had direct contact with...


Murlin teh OUT!!

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Nice hijack of this thread guys!  NOT!   Why don't you take it elsewhere and leave the thread to it's topic?

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Is the expectation that an individual responds to most every comment left for them ?  Some have mentioned they always respond to comments left however there's a difference between intermittently responding assuming time allows and NEVER responding.  Since the OP question is "never responding to comments" some seem to have the expectation that ALL comments are responded to.  Again,  expecting too much from certain individuals in the showcase becomes a source of trouble for the individual with such expectations.

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I think it is pretty likely everyone reads all the comments on their songs. That is a given. I don't see the point in 'TY' or Thank you. It is too redundant, and therefore meaningless. If I'm not going to spend the time to say something unique, creative, and targeted to that individual then there is no point anyway.

But all these comments do take a lot of time. The faster the system the better. There have been days I've waited for several minutes for a comment screen to come up though usually it is quicker.

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I'm guilty of doing that on occasion. It's the main reason I no longer sub. I'll think I have some free time, so I'll sing and sub one... then something comes up and I don't get the time to spend back in there like I thought I would. (yes..... I do indeed get *busy*.... shame on me for having a life outside of SS) Problem is, I usually do my singing part FIRST... and maybe I should listen around first... then sub only if I truly had the time. But hey, singing is what mainly brought me here, so shoot me if on my day of getting to "join in" I want a song up there too.

But I do get back in there to reply to comments and listen back to people... maybe not on the day THEY would choose me to, but hey, they don't pay my membership fee, I do.

Someone who always subs and NEVER replies or listens to others.....with no intent to? Well, that person doesn't understand the way of SS... I would never be like that. That's not right... people with no intention of actually "joining in" should either not sub or sub L only.

(in my humble little half-pint opinion anyhow)

Take care people... and quitcher dayum bickering!!  :no:

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Amen Charmin, I know how ya feel girl.

I work on the computer at work sometimes from the minute I get there til the minute I leave and to tell the truth at times my brain just can't get around to thinking of something nice to say in return to the people who listen to my subs.  Add that to the fact I truly have a hard time accepting praise and sometimes it takes me awhile to get to 'em but I ALWAYS acknowledge in one way or another my gratitude, even if it's by mentioning it on that person's next sub.

Yup, it's awful having a life outside SS sometimes (even when it ain't much of a life)

(slinking back to my corner now)

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