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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:23 pm 
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Steven Kaplan @ Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:53 pm wrote:
Move over William Shatner.  Kappy's Muzak is here :(

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should I ax the tremelo-vibrato stuff ?  Is it too contrived ?


YES ...

man you talk funny....loll....

i would raise this song up and try again, seems a tad too low, that would add some energy...at the end ur singing an octave higher, which is really the key she's singing in....if u raise it don't try that....

r you wearing that pink skirt while ur singing this? if so change to the powder blue one... it's easier on the eyes...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:27 pm 
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Steven Kaplan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:20 pm wrote:
I was told to not dare try this,  so naturally I did

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and you didn't listen did you? now we all suffer....the truth is i can't really hear you that well....so i'll give it a 10


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Thanks Billy,

   I'd rather break habits before I have much of a chance to get into them.  I really can't hear myself with ANY amount of objectivity even still, I really CAN NOT tell what I sound like during playback, although "funny sounding" in my case naturally goes without saying :).  Should I not worry about vibrato at all at this stage ?  Or just lighten up ?  I can't tell if I'm just adding tremelo, sounding like I'm running out've breath, or doing a type of vibrato.  (Blue dress is at the cry cleaners)

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Steven, some constructive criticism I hope to offer is that your vibrato does sound too forced and exaggerated on your subs.  I think I would drop the vibrato.  Also at times your dynamics are a little erratic -- jumping too high in volume from a fairly quiet phrase.

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Still, if you could get a better vocal recording and mix of your subs, a listener would be able to give a more reliable and informative comment on your efforts. Until then, it's too hard to determine what's going on.


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Thank you Don.  This is the best time for me to be addressing such situations before they become longer term bad habits.  At least now I can nip them at the bud.

What I'm finding so interesting (when trying to view this with some amount of objectivity) is the degree I am going in just about all  directions to try to escape or hide from my natural voice, and become something else, and find gimmicks and shortcuts that in my imagination will enable me to be one of the other singers.

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It's funny, Paul McCartney felt compelled to release a version of the Let It Be album that was free of the Spector enhancements.  I guess the bare vocals and instrumental tracks give the most accurate view of the performance. Few singers and players in pop music can get by without some aural enhancements.


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Genre:  60's Oldies Rock
Just entering this for nostalgia reasons.  Not much one can actually critique on a song such as this,  but I felt given the style, and song, and simplicity, it works for me




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This has some value for me.  It was the first 45 RPM I bought with my own money, scrounged up the 29 cents, and like all responsible grade school kids, loved it so much that I left it in the Bakelite Brownie-type 45 player in the sun, but I still loved playing the rollercoaster everyday.  Nice thing about this song, is given its "psychedelic" genre, even warped it sounded great !  This was my VERY first memory of "Hard" rock, around the time that electric guitar started getting into "wah" phase, flange and all sorts of psychedelia... This was even more wild than Donovon, or any of the other stuff of it's genre that I'd ever heard.. Sort've the "beginning" of psychedelic hard rock..

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Song:  I'll Still be Loving You
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Well.  I like the song,  can't sing it, but like it

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Song:  Honey
Composer:   Goldsboro
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I just did this for xits and grins figuring it's an easy song.. What scares me is I think this works.  Not my favorite song by any stretch of ones imagination, but It was there, so I tried it.  Feel free to rip it to shreds.


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Trying to back away from the microphone and sing louder to belt out've head voice on the higher notes that would otherwise be weak sounding headvoice

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No Sugar Tonight
The Guess Who


I know this is biting off far too much for my current stage, or lack of ability.  Once in awhile I need to do something that I think is tough for me to do just because.  Not sure why, I get bored easily.  While I didn't do the song well,  I just tried to do this passably.  Been singing for around 3 months already,  I should be professional by now.  How much longer can learning something take ? Grrrr


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Steven Kaplan @ Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:46 pm wrote:
No Sugar Tonight
The Guess Who


I know this is biting off far too much for my current stage, or lack of ability.  Once in awhile I need to do something that I think is tough for me to do just because.  Not sure why, I get bored easily.  While I didn't do the song well,  I just tried to do this passably.  Been singing for around 3 months already,  I should be professional by now.  How much longer can learning something take ? Grrrr


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I really enjoyed this song and performance!!   :yes:


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Thank you Neo,  You know I can't tell whether I TOTALLY bombed, or whether or not it's OK ?   That's how tough this is for me, I HONESTLY don't have a clue as to how what I sing and submit sounds.  Thus-far, my own opinion is perhaps the LEAST accurate representation of how I "actually" did.. I find this to be such a bizarre phenom that it's eery !  In time I'm sure this will develop, but this is quite perplexing for me...  

Thank you.  All constructive thoughts regarding what I can do to improve ANYTHING I sing in public always welcome... *keeping in mind my goal isn't to submit polished balanced recording* blends, but just establish a singing voice for "pop" genre using these point and shoot forums with libraries.  Given all the talent around,  I've humbled myelf  NOT to develop pride in this area for a LONG LONG time to come.. So I can take it.

I also tried "Share the Land",  and "Laughing" from the GUess Who... I'm not ready for those yet LMAO    OUCH,   I tried, and blew it !  I suppose I can tell when a song is WAY over my head (which is at least an ability developed within the past few months, or one I didn't have a few months back)

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I noticed in the last comment that suggestions are made to sing in the Pop genre. Questions: How easy (or hard) is it to make a classically-trained voice sound convincing for Pop songs? Also, is it possible to say that some people (or certain voices) just can't sing Pop? Using my last sub (S'altro che lagrime) as a starting point, what would be some recommendations to be able to create a Pop sound?


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Rising Phoenix,  I'm inclined to think that anything that comes close to, or is accepted into the broad category "pop", fit's in, inspite of or despite of the register or lack of gravel, rasp, dunno.. However for some of us that have very clean, nasally or certain characteristics that don't "Conventional" fit into the pop genre, it gets trying, but  hey,  Elvis Costello fits in, as did Bowie and others, and Dylan, what would we characterize THEIR singing as  belonging in ?  So subjective.. IE... I don't have ANY singers characteristics, and I'm likely a baritone, but I'm trying to "fit in" doing this stuff.. and perhaps 1 out've 10 thinks it fits in... Dunno.. But next year around this time,  I hope I can rise the ration to 3 out've 10.. Pop is so general, I just don't know what does and does not fit in.. It varies.

Artist:  The Babies
Song:   Everytime I think of you

What do I want out've this ?  I haven't a clue.. I'm TRYING to work my falsetto despite warnings, and red flags... I was looking for the song "Isn't it Time", which SingSnap doesn't have, but THAT IS a gorgeous song.. Oh well..

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Jian,  Now do you see why it's dangerous when I'm allowed near a microphone ?


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It's tough not to want to try this stuff that I grew up with.. I have a horrible headache now... All day singing this type of stuff, and this can't be healthy.

What is strange about this falsetto stuff, is that I can't tell if there's SOME remote hope for developing a cover type style for Chicago, or if I am totally off..  To me it sounds as tho there's some hope here if I develop stregnth with FX... BUT, I might be totally off;  Whether I have selective hearing and I'm blinded by what I want to sound like, or whether I CAN hear some chance of doing this.... I dunno...

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Rising_Phoenix @ Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:57 pm wrote:
I noticed in the last comment that suggestions are made to sing in the Pop genre. Questions: How easy (or hard) is it to make a classically-trained voice sound convincing for Pop songs? Also, is it possible to say that some people (or certain voices) just can't sing Pop? Using my last sub (S'altro che lagrime) as a starting point, what would be some recommendations to be able to create a Pop sound?


Most classically trained singers do not translate into pop.  There are exceptions of course, but it's usually impossible to disguise a classical background.  Listen to Jose Carreras on Amigos Para Sempre - it's definitely more of a pop song.  Sarah Brightman pulls it off, but Carreras still sounds like an opera singer.  I think some of it has to do with were you start out as a singer.  Sarah Brightman actually started out as a pop singer and transitioned into classical, and Carreras was always a classical singer.

As far as you singing pop...your biggest issue as I see it is this: I have noticed your subs all have a covered sound that is fairly common in classical singers and especially mezzo sopranos.  Sarah Brightman has the same thing when she sings classical.  Pop needs to be "brighter" and more "forward."

I hope that helps.

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Now I can hear a difference

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Steven Kaplan @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:40 pm wrote:
Which is the direction I would want to go on a song such as this ?  Louder and more projection as in first try,  or softer as in second ??

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Actually more like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0ccQVy1og


Can you hear the difference ?    :wave:

You can project and still be soft.....  :yes:


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Hmmm.... I have to process this

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