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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:35 pm 
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Well after reading many post on this website in support of the SM58 thought I would go and buy one. I currently use  Sennheiser 835 and I have to say chaps the Shure SM58 is a poor relation. It. lacks in volume and doesn’t cut through the mix as good as the 835.

I have had the 835s for 3 years they have been dropped (hard ceramic surfaces) and survived without a dent and still sound as good as the day I bought them and for less bucks than the 58.

Not interested in the polar ice cap circular graphs just going off what my ears (and the singers) tell me.

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Each system reacts differently to different mics,   The Senns are definitely a brighter mic, but if I used them on my system I get feedback from hell - without doing some major frequency cuts.  The SM58 is a nice flat response mic, it adds no color like the 835 tend to do.  They are both good mics though, just different systems & situations will react differently.  
I've had my 58's since 94 (actually just replaced one due to a worn XLR clip) working 7 nights & they still sound great, change the wind screen on them every 8-12 months & they are like new again.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:51 pm 
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but if I used them on my system I get feedback from hell - without doing some major frequency cuts.


I have my speakers mounted behind the singers, never had a problem. think this could be down to the active system I am running I.e smaller satallite speakers (8 inch) don't know not just me but the punters

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I bought a sennheiser 835 for my husband to replace his old battered sm58...he still prefers the shure lol but I am slowly getting him weaned off it.
I use a sennheiser freeport cordless and once I got over the shock of the clarity and every single mistake being exposed to the world, I just love it

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:55 pm 
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Each system reacts differently to different mics,   The Senns are definitely a brighter mic, but if I used them on my system I get feedback from hell



When I've worked with female vocalists I've found many of them prefer the dynamic microphone that offers more vocal coloration, and some even like the AKG-D9000 as opposed to the SM-58, others even a cheapo like the Audio Tech headset PRO-8HE (go figger), sometimes the cheaper microphone has a brighter response too, and some like the edge added...I think a factor here is how a person working the board EQ's and tweaks.. I also think males for some of the lower frequencies in general feel the Shure SM-58 is a flatter responding easier microphone to work with, some women want more coloration. Some love the Senn, but to say "Blows away" an SM-58 isn't a fair statement because for many and their vocal features THAT is the industry standard for the 100 dollar microphone..  I wonder how that model senn would compare to an SM-57 ?  Just curious...  The SM-58 is a multipurpose all around GOOD microphone that serves many apps... Not just vocals, it's a safe bet to have around..

Has anyone done head-t0-heads with the SM-48 and SM-58... I own both, but on lower volumes in a smaller area I can't tell the difference (except for around 20 bucks).. Quite honestly when I hack a song, I'm noticing I do not like the SM-58 but I use a Shure 565, which on paper looks similar but it's a FAR brighter sensitive microphone...

Different strokes I guess,  but for a multitude of people to share using, I think the flatter microphone is a safer bet.. Not all want coloration from the mic

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Steven Kaplan @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:55 pm wrote:
I think a factor here is how a person working the board EQ's and tweaks..


I have a guy that brings in his own 835 when he comes to sing.  I know that when I swap out the mic, the channel eq must be adjusted quite a bit in the cuts or highs & mids somewhere around 2k.  

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I have sung a lot through both mics, and I like both. I prefer the 58 just a little more, myself, but they are both real good.

As others have noticed, the 835 is hotter and has more of a 3K presence hump. I just change channel trim and EQ.


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Senn, any day of the week.  Of the mics I put it third. enn first, then the Apex 850(a $30 mic believe it or not), then the Shure, then the Sampson.

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I'm pretty sure there is a reason that when you watch singers/bands on television, what you see is the head of the SM58 - cordless and corded.

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Karen K @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:54 pm wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is a reason that when you watch singers/bands on television, what you see is the head of the SM58 - cordless and corded.

Not all the time, not by a long shot. You see a lot of Sennheiser, a lot of EV, and the occasional Audix too, as well as Neumann and some others.


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A little off topic but since we are being inundated on the news by our political primaries I always take notice of the microphones that they speak through and they are usually Shures followed by an occasional Sennheiser.

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mckyj57 @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:11 pm wrote:
Karen K @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:54 pm wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is a reason that when you watch singers/bands on television, what you see is the head of the SM58 - cordless and corded.

Not all the time, not by a long shot. You see a lot of Sennheiser, a lot of EV, and the occasional Audix too, as well as Neumann and some others.


Actually I disagree, i've seen more 58's at concerts & live shows than anything else.  For the 'divas' i've seen Nuemans.

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Lonman @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:03 am wrote:
mckyj57 @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:11 pm wrote:
Karen K @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:54 pm wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is a reason that when you watch singers/bands on television, what you see is the head of the SM58 - cordless and corded.

Not all the time, not by a long shot. You see a lot of Sennheiser, a lot of EV, and the occasional Audix too, as well as Neumann and some others.


Actually I disagree, i've seen more 58's at concerts & live shows than anything else.  For the 'divas' i've seen Nuemans.

Most often, sure.  But not all, not by a long shot.

Actually I wonder about sponsorship. I have a friend who is in an old classic rock-and-roll band, and they use EV because EV came in and gave them six ND-767s. They tried them, liked them, and now use them exclusively. They replaced SM-58s. (This happened about 15 years ago, I think.)


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Like most things related to music and performance, everybody has their preferences!

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