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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:45 pm 
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Lonman @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:58 pm wrote:
slimt @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:40 pm wrote:
sorry for bragging....I guess I do that best


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Alls I was saying is even peaked, those amps aren't capable of no 10K watts of power.  But if you say they do, then you da man!

Hey Lonman, you never told me I was da man!

I guess it is because I use Behringer, and haven't figured out how to use additives yet. I will get there, wait and see....


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I have enough duplicate songs.   Some are very bad versions that should never be played.    So by you bringing in a crappy version, when i know without a doubt that my version is musically better, what do you want?   I have a reputation to maintain.    And it's not for bad song versions.  


Methinks ya better watch out or the witchy one will be flying in on the broomstick with the Jerkometer in hand! LMAO

Maybe, just maybe you could have a version that is better than the one I have.... but I know you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find one.   I know without doubt that there is no way you could know the quality of my tracks without hearing them.  


Really! What makes you know without doubt that I would bring in a disk with a backing that is crappier than thou's?  Even you admit you have bad versions.. I sure hope you don't get a customer requesting one of those.... Heaven forbid!  What would that do to your reputation?  As far as I am concerned nothing could harm it more than you already have with your contentious comments.  In fact, reading some of your posts it seems your sole purpose in being here is to create controversy and stir up angst no matter what the topic.  To that end, I am done with responding to anything else you might like to submit!


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renedh @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:34 pm wrote:
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I bring my own cdg's, because I like to sing a lot of obscure stuff that most KJ's don't have, but I also sing out of the KJ's book if he has what I'm looking for. I realize that he is doing me a favour letting me use my own discs and I appreciate this. If for any reason he wasn't able to play my discs it would bother me, but not to the extent that I would get upset about it. In my experience the KJ's books have more than enough songs and getting to use your own cdg's I look at, as a bonus not a right. On the other hand I have seen many an unreasonable person walk out of a show if they were unable to use their own discs, but hey you can't please all of the people all of the time.



I'm not trying to be facetious here, but what do you consider to be unreasonable???

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I would consider anybody who walks out of a show because the KJ won't play their own CDG's to be somewhat unreasonable. In my opinion that is no reason (assuming that it is a well run show and the books offer enough of a choice) to behave like a prima donna and walk out of a show.  The KJ is under no obligation to play anything on their equipment other than their own discs if they don't want to, whatever condiditon the disc is in. I sing karaoke for fun, if I can't use my own discs I'll sing out of the book, no big deal and if it's an arrangement I'm not familiar with and I mess up....again, no big deal.
I consider someone that judges another as a PrimaDonna to be unreasonable. Look, we ALL like certain songs, and some of us are particular about what versions are out there. I've sang at local shows that had the dreaded "stardisc" for their pop music, just because StarDisc puts it out earlier and cheaper. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT! So if they won't take my disc, YES, I'll walk the F out!

People get used to certain versions. What was very singable for me for one version became almost impossible for me from another! That's not primadonna ish... at least I don't think so!


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I have enough duplicate songs.   Some are very bad versions that should never be played.    So by you bringing in a crappy version, when i know without a doubt that my version is musically better, what do you want?   I have a reputation to maintain.    And it's not for bad song versions.  


Methinks ya better watch out or the witchy one will be flying in on the broomstick with the Jerkometer in hand! LMAO

How come it doesn't peg when she carries it?


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I think if you're a KJ and you offer your singers the ability to bring in their own discs more power to you.  I use to offer this service up to a few weeks ago when my player went down and I was forced to work a few weeks without one.

I realized that for me - set up was simpler and quicker and the flow of the show was smoother as I was able  to preload the songs using my COMPUTER HOSTING program.  "simpler and quicker" was one of the reasons I switched to computer and now I'm not looking BACK.

Like many KJ's we feel we know the "better versions" of songs  and if you want to sing at my show... well That's what you're getting.  You may like  the SGB version but if I have it OK but if not --you'll get Soundchoice and that's that.  If you want to go OUT and sing well GO out to where you are HAPPY --if its my show fine and if not that's ok too.    When yo go OUT to eat  --you don't bring your own recipes do you?
LMAO  LMAO -  As a singer GO WHERE YOU HAVE THE MOST ENJOYMENT whether that means singing your own disc or singing 6 songs vs 2  or whatever floats your boat .


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knightshow @ February 12th 2008 wrote:
renedh @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:34 pm wrote:
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renedh @ Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:03 pm wrote:
I bring my own cdg's, because I like to sing a lot of obscure stuff that most KJ's don't have, but I also sing out of the KJ's book if he has what I'm looking for. I realize that he is doing me a favour letting me use my own discs and I appreciate this. If for any reason he wasn't able to play my discs it would bother me, but not to the extent that I would get upset about it. In my experience the KJ's books have more than enough songs and getting to use your own cdg's I look at, as a bonus not a right. On the other hand I have seen many an unreasonable person walk out of a show if they were unable to use their own discs, but hey you can't please all of the people all of the time.



I'm not trying to be facetious here, but what do you consider to be unreasonable???

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I would consider anybody who walks out of a show because the KJ won't play their own CDG's to be somewhat unreasonable. In my opinion that is no reason (assuming that it is a well run show and the books offer enough of a choice) to behave like a prima donna and walk out of a show.  The KJ is under no obligation to play anything on their equipment other than their own discs if they don't want to, whatever condiditon the disc is in. I sing karaoke for fun, if I can't use my own discs I'll sing out of the book, no big deal and if it's an arrangement I'm not familiar with and I mess up....again, no big deal.
I consider someone that judges another as a PrimaDonna to be unreasonable. Look, we ALL like certain songs, and some of us are particular about what versions are out there. I've sang at local shows that had the dreaded "stardisc" for their pop music, just because StarDisc puts it out earlier and cheaper. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT! So if they won't take my disc, YES, I'll walk the F out!

People get used to certain versions. What was very singable for me for one version became almost impossible for me from another! That's not primadonna ish... at least I don't think so!


Well, who's judging who now. I don't think I'm an unreasonable person, perhaps I just have a different point of view and after all isn't that why the forum is here to listen to everyones points of view. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's said here in the forum, but I don't post a verbal attack because I don't. I was asked to clarify what I thought was unreasonable and I did, if I offended anyone in the process, I apologize. What I meant was if the Kj won't take my disc I may not attend the show again but I wouldn't walk out on the night.


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renedh @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:35 pm wrote:
Well, who's judging who now. I don't think I'm an unreasonable person, perhaps I just have a different point of view and after all isn't that why the forum is here to listen to everyones points of view. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's said here in the forum, but I don't post a verbal attack because I don't. I was asked to clarify what I thought was unreasonable and I did, if I offended anyone in the process, I apologize. What I meant was if the Kj won't take my disc I may not attend the show again but I wouldn't walk out on the night.

That doesn't line up with you calling someone a prima donna. I consider that an attack -- if you have a chip on your shoulder. I try not to have one, so I am not offended. Even though I frequently walk out on shows that don't do one of 1) let me play my disk or 2) show the manufacturer in the book  or 3) talk to me and tell me the manufacturer with authority. (No, "most of my stuff is Soundchoice" is not good enough.)  It is certainly OK for me to do so, and the only way I would have a chance of being a prima donna is if I loudly announced it and walked out in a huff.  That isn't me, so I would just say "OK" and leave.

I roger the Stardisc thing. I simply will not sing to those things if I have any clue they are there. If you are a KJ, get Pop Hits or Big Hitz/Big Country instead -- please!


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Wouldn't be nice  as a KJ if you didn't have to bring any music at all ???  JUST your player - I might be on to something here !!!  Than I can have drawings to BAN certain songs and genres..... OH wait someone is already doing that.

It's KARAOKE ---if you like the Host and show ---- STAY and COME BACK AGAIN

If you don't ----find somewhere else --- ITS OKAY !!!! / BUt don't come to my show week after week and COMPLAIN I won't play you discs   :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:


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Like I said earlier......Usually I only play for the ones I know......and if I play for the ones I dont...I tell them"no guarrantees"......its yer cd not mine......


easier to say"go through the book""pick a different song""its in the book"

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Reasons i won't patronize a show again.

1. Horrible sounding system
2. Jerk KJ
3. KJ plays favorites
4. No rotation
5. Everyone sings more than i do
6. Your last update was 5 years ago
7. If i bring a disc and you can't play it and you don't have any of the songs i sing  
8. KJ sings more than once in a rotation
9. Immature adults are the majority of the crowd
10. KJ allows any kind of over-the-microphone behavior
11. Crappy song versions


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mckyj57 @ February 12th 2008 wrote:
renedh @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:35 pm wrote:
Well, who's judging who now. I don't think I'm an unreasonable person, perhaps I just have a different point of view and after all isn't that why the forum is here to listen to everyones points of view. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's said here in the forum, but I don't post a verbal attack because I don't. I was asked to clarify what I thought was unreasonable and I did, if I offended anyone in the process, I apologize. What I meant was if the Kj won't take my disc I may not attend the show again but I wouldn't walk out on the night.

That doesn't line up with you calling someone a prima donna. I consider that an attack -- if you have a chip on your shoulder. I try not to have one, so I am not offended. Even though I frequently walk out on shows that don't do one of 1) let me play my disk or 2) show the manufacturer in the book  or 3) talk to me and tell me the manufacturer with authority. (No, "most of my stuff is Soundchoice" is not good enough.)  It is certainly OK for me to do so, and the only way I would have a chance of being a prima donna is if I loudly announced it and walked out in a huff.  That isn't me, so I would just say "OK" and leave.

I roger the Stardisc thing. I simply will not sing to those things if I have any clue they are there. If you are a KJ, get Pop Hits or Big Hitz/Big Country instead -- please!


I did not call anyone on this forum a prima donna...I was referring to someone I personally saw behave like this at a show. If my comment has been taken out of context and offended anyone, I again apologize.   :handshake:  It would seem to be the general feeling in this forum that most people prefer to use their own discs for whatever reason they have. I admit I have rarely had any problems with KJ's not playing my discs in my neck of the woods but if they won't play my discs and I'm having a good time with the crowd I'll stay and sing anyway. The only times I have  been told I could not use my own discs it was a PC set up and I couldn't understand why not. Was it because he did not have the software or was he just using this as an excuse to not play my disc?


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Most computer based KJs don't have the knowhow to do it.  Or they figure they don't want to spend the money to do it.  It comes down to customer service.  Some provide it some don't.


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You forgot to add to your list that the kj's friends sing more than anyone.....

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slimt @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:16 pm wrote:
You forgot to add to your list that the kj's friends sing more than anyone.....
That would be considered KJ playing favorites!  #3 on his list!   :roll:

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Ok...thought he ment that KJ plays his own favorite songs...gotcha

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Most computer based KJs don't have the knowhow to do it.  Or they figure they don't want to spend the money to do it.  It comes down to customer service.  Some provide it some don't.


Most digital karaoke based systems are state of the art and are 2 years ahead of everybody else. I have run computer based karaoke for over 8 years and I have been ahead of the crowd for years. I have constantly predicted future trends on this forum for years and have never been wrong.

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renedh @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:35 pm wrote:
Well, who's judging who now. I don't think I'm an unreasonable person, perhaps I just have a different point of view and after all isn't that why the forum is here to listen to everyones points of view. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's said here in the forum, but I don't post a verbal attack because I don't. I was asked to clarify what I thought was unreasonable and I did, if I offended anyone in the process, I apologize. What I meant was if the Kj won't take my disc I may not attend the show again but I wouldn't walk out on the night.
actually, you didn't get my sarcasm. YOU are the one that used the "unreasonable" quote first... all I did was point it back at you. The word stings more when it's point of reference is yourself!

I FREELY admit I'm not the "usual" karaoke fungoer... for me, there are truisms, and yes I'll walk out of a venue that I'm attending for the fun of it if they can't accomodate me. There's just too many other places I can go to that WILL. I have NOTHING against ANY kj or company that WON'T play my discs. Absolutely NOTHING. I respect their right to run their outfit the way they want to run it. Doesn't mean I have to be a paying customer, though.


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renedh @ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:57 pm wrote:
I did not call anyone on this forum a prima donna...I was referring to someone I personally saw behave like this at a show. If my comment has been taken out of context and offended anyone, I again apologize.   :handshake:

I am OK with that. But it was not taken out of context. You said, and I quote:


 I would consider anybody who walks out of a show because the KJ won't play
 their own CDG's to be somewhat unreasonable. In my opinion that is no reason
 (assuming that it is a well run show and the books offer enough of a choice)
 to behave like a prima donna and walk out of a show.  

You said anybody who walks out of a show because the KJ won't play their CDGs, is somewhat unreasonable, and went on to intimate that anyone walking out of a show is behaving like a prima donna. I don't think people should take too quick offense, because sometimes things come out wrong on a message board (mea culpa myself, many times). But face it, you did call us prima donnas. I can see you don't think that was your intent. I am not personally offended. I know when I act like a prima donna, and that ain't one of the times. 8-)

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[It would seem to be the general feeling in this forum that most people prefer to use their own discs for whatever reason they have. I admit I have rarely had any problems with KJ's not playing my discs in my neck of the woods but if they won't play my discs and I'm having a good time with the crowd I'll stay and sing anyway. The only times I have  been told I could not use my own discs it was a PC set up and I couldn't understand why not. Was it because he did not have the software or was he just using this as an excuse to not play my disc?

I have KJs who still play disks who love me as a regular. I bring them a brand-new never-played disk and say "put me in for track 1, track 2, track 3 down the line". They don't have to look anything up, operate any key changer, or now that I am doing normalization they don't have to touch the mix much. One of them uses me as a round-counter....


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:need hug:  ok, Kightshow and mckyj57, I get your point. I'm a relative newbie on this forum and I don't quite get your sense of humor yet KShow and I'm not the best at wording things...bare with me on both those points  :hug:  honest it wasn't my intent to come over the way I did. Or maybe I'm PMSing, I dunno. Anyhoo anytime y'all are in my neck of the woods I'll buy y'all a drink.  :grouphug:


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It seems that everyone on here is looking for a fight about anything and everything.   People are taking things way too personal that was never inteneded.   Someone is always lying or bragging or being taken out of context.  Some people can't see or understand sarcasm.  Or take a joke or something that was supoosed to be funny.   Things are getting blown out of proporsion that were never meant.

Everyone needs to lighten up and participate in the converstation.  Sometimes you will get opinions that you don't agree with or particularly like.  It's conversatition.  Some will be informative.  Some will be objectionable.  Some will be sarcastic.  Some will be serious.  Some will be meaningless.  Some will be constructive.  Some will be destructive.   Each is a human response.   And human beings should be able to handle everything and understand that nobody will like everything that is said or done.  

I have seen some intentional bashing and rude remarks.  Why they are considered OK for some and not OK for others, seems to be a mystery.  Some responses will make you mad.  Some will make you happy. Some will make you laugh.  Some will help you.  

But each one is given in the context of conversation.   It is sometimes hard to understand the full meaning of written text.  Sometimes the wrong word inflection or phrasing will be misinterpreted.   Before everyone jumps the gun, ask for an explanation.  Or reread the post to try and see if there could have been a different meaning.  Act like mature adults. :hug:


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