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Radio stations are a big part of the music scene.

Probably about 2500 radio stations in the country, playing music 24/7.

Most of these, to be legal are still using tapes, records and CDs.  These things can't last forever and the quality will be going downhill.

Do you think from all the music sales generated by radio stations that they (RIAA and the publishers and artists) would want to get this format shift thing legalized so the radio stations can go digital?  

Are they putting any pressure on anyone to get it done?

This in the long run effects all KJs and DJs.

hells teeth what planet are you on? Radios have been digital for the last lawd knows how many years

you need to engage brain before opening mouth or letting fingers loose on keys

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You must be living in the last century.
24 channels of satellite radio 24/7
God knows how many terrestrial stations they are and all digital.

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well my last radio job was 4 years ago and it was digital then!!
and that is in a crappy tin pot station in the sticks...metro stations have been digital for a lot longer.
The local station had a big garage sale of ALL their vinyl etc a few months back cos they were taking up too much room and hadnt been used in years.

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All the radios in our area have been digital for quite sometime now.  Matter of fact that's where I got my recommend for OTSDJ was from a friend of mine who works & uses it in a local station.

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I'm talking about their music being formatted digitally to computer.

They are still playing with records, tapes and CDS to be "LEGAL."  

They (nobody) are not allowed to format shift anything and i think with the Federal complaince for licensing and such, they would not want to be illegal with their music.

Records and tapes and CDs get scratched and break.    These medias are going the way of the dinosaur.  So i would think they have a big concern about protecting their investment.

you spew so much crap
they are no such thing and havent been for years...open your eyes and read what has been written from those of us who have been in the radio industry and has done everything from playing vinyl, carts, cds and digital IT IS NO LONGER A MANUAL THING MR RICHARD CRANIUM

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The stations I have visited up here & know people that work there are all digital, they play from the computer.  No records/tapes/cds.  But they also get special blanket licensing through the publishers & pay a royalties throughout the year.  
Again, I know a person that works there & this is what they use
http://www.otsav.com/buy/radio/compare.html - OtsAV Radio broadcaster.  He recommended the dj portion for what I needed in a mobile show.
Here is a brief article talking about the computerized station.  
http://radiomagonline.com/automation/ra ... utomation/ - and this was almost 2 years ago.

You have to figure most stations now also stream their shows live over the internet as well, another thing we as karaoke hosts don't have access to - usually due to limited funds.

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It seems that you made an assumption about the legal issues. The radio stations do have a legal rights to shift formats. They have it in their agreement that is the principal agreement that allows them to be playing music to public and make money on the advertisement. It's covered.

Most, if not all, of the stations around here has gone computer and digital, specially for FM stations. There are many benefits to going computer and they take full advantage of it, such as web casting and digital radio to compete with satellite radio. The satellite radio, such as XM and Sirius is complete digital and that was planned from the beginning. They never used anything other than "computers" to run their programs. The the computers is in quotes is that they don't use off the shelf computer. They use specialized computer made specifically for running the program.

Some small, independent radio stations may still run CDs. It is not cheap to upgrade but most have converted over.

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They went digital in the 1980s for craps sake..

That was so they could run the station without any people on site..

It's all computerized.. Jesus, wake up..

How do they have the right to format shift?    Who do they pay?   If they let them do it 20 years ago why is it still an issue for everyone else?

According to Sound Choice nobody has the right to do it because it hasn't been given and the payment stuff worked out.

I thought that was why the RIAA was going after everyone.    If you buy a regular music CD can you make a copy of it or put it on a hard drive?

It would seem that they may be closer to finalizing the entire format issue.    All they want to do is make sure everyone is getting paid.    So we may have to pay a liitle more for our songs to accomplish this.  So why don't they just do it and move on.   Then everyone would be legal.    The radio stations "OK" should be the opening Sound Choice and everyone else needs.     Good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

How can they prove their music is all legal?     They could be downloading from the same internet they broadcast over.

It's all just about a few cents per song paid back to the artists and publishers.

That's an easy answer, the radio stations and KJ/DJ are a whole different animal to the RIAA or ASCAP, etc, I call them collectors. First of all, the radio station has been around a long time and have been a paid customer. Second, EVERY radio station has to have a license by FCC. That means the collector of bills know exactly who they are and what they are doing. So, they get more privilege than anyone else because if they fail to pay, they will not only have the collector on their behind, federal government as well.

The only way the DJ/KJ would get the same treatment is if we have to be registered by the federal government to carry a license when performing. Second, it has to be against a law for any establishments to hire those without the license. Thirdly, they have all our business information, including financial statements and bank access, so they can take the money we owe to them our of us using federal law enforcement.

As you can see, this is not an easy thing to do. First there are only few thousands of radio stations that is FCC registered. There must be hundreds of thousands of DJ/KJ if not more. They can't enforce it. So they get the congress to pass the law to make things illegal for us, rather than for radio station.

I personally like that we don't have to register with the federal government to be able to work as a DJ/KJ. I still comply with all laws that I know but registering is last thing I need.




Again, Sound Choice is a Karaoke company and they have to deal with the collector on a whole another term. They are licensing them from the music publishers, then we get the discs from them. The radio station deals with organization that represents the music publishers directly. They get a different license deal then someone like Sound Choice.

If you buy a regular CD, you can make a copy of it on a hard drive legally. That was established, I believe in the mid or late 80s. And the record labels are having a second thought about this because they realize that it was a mistake for them to grant this. Of course this is after the explosion of the Internet. Once they realized what happened, they started to be a lot more strict on licenses. That's why Karaoke, which started much later, suffered.

Same thing happened to movie studios. They learned from the record industry and fought hard to making format shift illegal. It's not 100% decided but as of now, it's not legal to copy a released movie, whether to another disc or to a computer, without a proper license, such as iTunes from Apple. If you look at all the legal software, like Nero, it will not let you format shift copyrighted movies. It will copy home made DVDs.



It doesn't matter where they get their music from, they pay when they play. They have to submit the play list to the collectors and the collectors hire people who do nothing but listen to the radio station to see what songs they play to verify the play list. Then they know how many time each song has been played and the SONG OWNER, get a check based on how many time it's been played. So, every time a Paul McCartney song plays on radio, Michael Jackson gets some money.

So, they can get their song from anywhere, from the Internet via Kazaa, directly from the source, off CDs; the bottom line is that they have to pay when they play the music.

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I really thought you guys would have learnt by now... Sidewinder's only puropose here is to stir up controversy and post a lot of unsubstantiated crap... Vicki, there really is no point in getting your knickers in a twist over any of his posts... far better to just ignore them all!

NFC....

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Yeah.  I lay awake at night just thinking up my next pot stirrer.   Just to keep everyone on their toes, so you all can ridicule, name call and backstab, someone for something.

It just seems by adding a few cents to the karaoke disc to cover the format shift payment, it could be over and legal.   Just assume everyone will do it and charge for it.    The price of doing business.    They could even call it a format shift payment.  Just like "plus postage and handling and processing fees."    Make it a built in fee, already.  We will get use to it, like everything else we order from TV or the internet.

A legal one time format shift fee.  You will get the proper documentation and anything after one shift, you're illegal.  ASCAP or BMI could ask the bar owner to make you produce the documentation when he pays the fee.    Gets rid of the illegal KJs real quick.

Start a petition with your house of representatives in you state to get the ball rolling.  Do you not thinks it's not already been done????  Keep it going!

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hey darlin yeah I know how could I be that dumb huh?  :hug:

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I paid for every song on my HDD Some with social security IT IS NOT ILLEGAL!!! If you think RIAA or anybody else is concerned with some KJ in a little bar and his HDD you are nuts.. All they are worried about is the bar paying their fees.

Now if I was distributing and making a profit selling songs or making cd's then I might start wearing a mask and watching my backside. I am so tired of this meaningless argument I am ready to kick (@$%&#!).  An hour ago I was in a positive frame of mind and ready to go.. Now I'm pissy. Get Off OF MY ARSE!!!!!  LMAO  LMAO

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Broadcast stations have the clout because they give artists exposure. As karaoke singers get better and when it is presented with better systems, we have that clout too. Karaoke singers are one of the biggest markets for new cd's. An  attack  on an industry that promotes or exposes their artists new cd's is idiotic at best.

RIAA has lost it's clout due to the grandmother law suit and others. In our case to try to prove we are illegal would cost a million dollars and would wind up in the Supreme court. That is why you see suing and lawsuits in civil courts They have spent all this legal money and as in the Bull & Bear case in New York all they were awarded was something less than $1000 which was the fees they would have got to start with.

If you really want to know whats going on with RIAA and broadcast there are many  sources on the net such as this

THis was a year ago.. Did they get the flag or encryption?

You can present all this gloom and doom all you want we are gaining the upper hand exponentially on a yearly basis. You might be illegal I Am NOT!!!

If you want to spend some bucks and prove it then come get me!!!!

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