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Do you suppose that the best singers or front people are somewhat if not very "narcissistic" ?  I never thought of this til now really..  Is it attention they want ?

Another consideration is many of these singers/ actors /dancers were bred for the industry by parents or others already in the industry, and pushed thru a door that was wedged open for them.. Look at the Jackson kids ?   Weren't these kids that were trained and pushed by a brutal father into the industry ?  Similarly with bands (front singers we now recognize).. weren't the introduced by great promoting agents rather than their own merit (assuming there is such a thing in the industry?)
I suppose similarly in rare cases you have the artists that also are great business people- and produce themselves, and get their own foot into the door somehow.. Didn't Bowie, and Madonna do this ?  

Just some thoughts.

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I have an adult child who was extremely talented as a kid and still blames me today for not getting him into showbiz

So... it's not ALWAYS the parents' fault

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Britney can't sing that's a fact, so as many other pro artist, but she can sell

Listen to example no.2, it says it all

Just figured I'd introject people singing karaoke from elsewhere who I envy in terms of across the board talent given let's say over 100 songs, all excellent jobs done live, and with just a mixing board..  Take Jnyman for instance, this guy lives in NY, has plenty of talent.. But remains an amateur like so many others..

I do not know him personally, I just think he has more talent in his pinky finger than I can ever wish to have, or many in the industry actually have

http://www.singsnap.com/snap/watchAndLi ... y/bcc28bf1


Now here's my question,  Can he be singing live given that volume, distance of mic from his mouth, and clarity of recording ?  Or is he synching himself singing a previously recorded version ?

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

There are some that cant cant a tune in a bucket but are crowd favorites  They supply enthusiasm and know how to entertain. The joy is in turning on a crowd and making folks happy. I am one of those that strangers ask who is that? OH thats Ollie!

Most of the singers I sing with consider the satisfaction we get from folks smiling and enjoying the show is payment enough. The overall talent of karaoke singers has vastly improved these last years and is the reason it is back on the upswing. We have 15-20 singers we could take to any bar and pack it out.

Singers evolve through stages and one of my biggest joys is watching somebody that is totally afraid to then over years turn into a good singer. I have people at my show I have sang with for over 15 years. It took awhile to get them from my previous gig to present but last night they were there!!!  Ollie do Mendocino!!!!

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Amen, Ollie

In the years I've been hosting Karaoke there have been a few extra ordinary singers that have stood at my  mics.  They may have had the VOICE but either laked the showmanship or confidance to make it in the music industry.

Then comes the LOOKS.....If you don't have the LOOKS or a "hook" or gimmick you're just another GREAT VOICE out of millions.    I think it's a tough business to crack ...unless you try American Idol

Do you think we should refer these above average singers into getting a professional music demo produced?  With the internet it is easy to promote yourself and even sell some CDs.  You do not have to be with a major record label to make a good living as a singer anymore.  I have seen karaoke performers selling their CDs after performing and doing quite well.  They never want to be Brittany Spears but are making a good living just singing and selling their music.  
There are many studios that can do a quick music demo now that sounds professional and won;t break your bank.  Who needs the record labels!

We've got a studio and have done some demo stuff for people...but you have to be careful with the whole copyright thing (oh lordy, here we go again), recording people singing other people's music without permission. Public domain music eliminates that need, but that music is limited.

We've done 'audition' type stuff for people that have definitely gotten them their gigs. I keep a few songs on my computer for on-line auditioning, too, for studio work.  On all audition cds, even, we insert all the disclaimers: Not the original artist. All rights reserved. Not for sale, blah, blah, blah.

k

I agree with karyoker.  You don't have to be a great singer to do a song well.  You just have to be a human being that loves what they are doing.  The best version of the Bohemian Rhapshody I heard was three guys that were totally out of synch (and slightly tipsy) but loving it.  I also know two guys that sing Viva Las Vegas better than Elvis ever did.  They add in the movements--throwing the dice.  They've been to Vegas.  They sing the song with spirit--it's awesome!

It's no easier if you try American Idol.  In 7 seasons they've had hundreds of thousands of kids audition, hundreds have gotten airtime on the show, 30-40 have recorded albums, and exactly 3 have become legitimate stars in the industry as artists independent of the show - Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, and Chris Daughtry.  

Clay Aiken had a lot of success with the first album, but was never able to translate that into any radio airplay, was never able to shake the AI association, and his followup albums all tanked.  Jordin Sparks has managed to get 2 top 10 singles from her debut album (a first for any of the contestants) yet that album still hasn't even gone gold yet.  Taylor Hicks flopped big time and he, along with Ruben Studdard and Katherine McPhee were all recently dropped by their record label.  Fantasia and Elliot Yamin have had moderate success but it's likely all downhill for both of their careers from here.

So I'd say it's not any easier to crack the music business if you take the AI route.

The best way i've seen lately is getting discovered by Governor Spitzer.  :hi5:

American Idol who?

Definately need to be a songwriter, unless you know a good songwriter that wants to get recognized, too.

We have a lot of great singers, but also, no entertainment value.  You must be a good singer and a great entertainer or a great singer and a good entertainer.  Who wants to watch someone stand in one place and sing for two to three hours.

Great singers do not need to be great song writers; there are many examples of GREAT singer who do not write their own songs. Elvis, Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack, Celine Dion, Diana Ross, etc.

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Exactly.

Although a total package is more desirable to them.


836 songs & 421 albums.   Now that's the "King"   Elvis stats

I can't find any songs written by him.

What I meant to say (and one of these days I'll learn to say PRECISELY what I mean) is that you won't get noticed covering someone else's songs.>Whether that means you write the material yourself, or find someone who wants to become 'famous' with you, you need to have original stuff. NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S SONGS THAT MADE SOMEONE ELSE FAMOUS.  Just won't happen.

You need a unique voice, a great presentation, even greater original material, and perfect timing.  And even then, the top half a percent of the top 1% get noticed. Kind of depressing, really.  LOL.

k

There are many great song writers that do not sing; they write for others to sing. And there are many great songs written but never get recorded by the right singer. many more never get near a recording studio.
A good singer can pick any of those songs to record.

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