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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:22 am 
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True Mike.

     Do they also do repairs ?  Reason being in the local school system markets that's another important matter... I think the public schools need at least somebody local however my thoughts are (and I might be incorrect) that few local stores can sit on higher end guitar and amp type inventory today in suburban areas and compete with the prices you'll find when the larger undercutters via mail order such as MF, AMS, SAM ASH, Zzounds, Sweetwater started their pricepoint and warantee battles omitting taxes to most, etc and began with VERY liberal return policies.. Tough for the local guy to sell Les Pauls today in some outskirt area... I think band instruments will always need local (and repair is important too as is rapport with the school systems) and the smaller sales of strings, reeds, reseating pads on woodwinds, overhauling clarinets, shimming cracked violin tops, mouthpiece pullers, frozen valves....so on..  and of course the universities can't get tuners, and piano repair technicians from mail order type businesses..

    Unfortunately we live in a day where the smaller mom and pop type businesses can't endure the competition of the internet and mail-order.  Most local places around here shut down by the 90's..  Cities are different of course !  Higher volumes do business and they don't worry about sitting on stale inventory

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Hi Steven,
Yes, the major issue was dealing with repairs to instruments.  According to what my brother tells me, and he should know, 2 of the best instrument repairmen in the nation were working for my friend until he sold his business.  The repairmen went with the new owners as did my friend.  When the new owners took over, they cut the service to the schools to where they were not providing fast, efficient repairs or receiving orders quickly enough.  The repairmen were complaining that the new corporations policies had their hands tied as to what they could do in providing repairs. When my friend opened the new business, the repairmen went back to work for him.  This created a real problem for the other business. Now all of their repairs were having to be sent to Dallas and back. There was also a deal that went bad in the purchase of a plant that would re-finish tubas (turning gold colored tubas into silver) the color apparently influences the tonal qualities of a tuba! (interesting!) My brother just orders his from St. Petersburg Russia. We are part of an extreemly rich independent school district. Even beginners play on the best instrument that is on the market.  Even though my friends bread and butter is in instrument sales and repair to schools, there is still a real market in guitar / amps, keyboards, and sound systems.  He says he will match any price on musicians friend or any of the internet music stores.  So far, he does what he says. He does not always have the best available stock in store, but if you want it, he can get it pretty quickly.--Mike


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Hi Steven,
Yes, the major issue was dealing with repairs to instruments.  According to what my brother tells me, and he should know, 2 of the best instrument repairmen in the nation were working for my friend until he sold his business.  The repairmen went with the new owners as did my friend.  When the new owners took over, they cut the service to the schools to where they were not providing fast, efficient repairs or receiving orders quickly enough.  The repairmen were complaining that the new corporations policies had their hands tied as to what they could do in providing repairs. When my friend opened the new business, the repairmen went back to work for him.  This created a real problem for the other business. Now all of their repairs were having to be sent to Dallas and back. There was also a deal that went bad in the purchase of a plant that would re-finish tubas (turning gold colored tubas into silver) the color apparently influences the tonal qualities of a tuba! (interesting!) My brother just orders his from St. Petersburg Russia. We are part of an extreemly rich independent school district. Even beginners play on the best instrument that is on the market.  Even though my friends bread and butter is in instrument sales and repair to schools, there is still a real market in guitar / amps, keyboards, and sound systems.  He says he will match any price on musicians friend or any of the internet music stores.  So far, he does what he says. He does not always have the best available stock in store, but if you want it, he can get it pretty quickly.--Mike


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Geez! How did that happen?  I hit the submit button and it double posts! lol Sorry about that !


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No problem Mike,  this thread needs more activity !


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There was also a deal that went bad in the purchase of a plant that would re-finish tubas (turning gold colored tubas into silver) the color apparently influences the tonal qualities of a tuba!


The color, or the type plating  which might have some effect on resonance ?  I can't imagine how color would influence tone unless there's a psychological aspect.  I might be wrong however,  I never heard this before, perhaps silver plating used on that large an instrument is a softer plating than the electroplated lower carat gold alloy used hence vibration is different ?

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Not sure if anyone is interested, however this appears to me to be a pretty good deal..  (but I dunno)

http://dealnews.com/CAD-GXL3000-Pro-Stu ... news_today

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I wish my brother was in town today so that I could verify this, but from what I remember I was told, I think by the music store, is that the silver finish on the instruments produces a darker, deeper, richer tone to the instrument.  I agree, I don't see how, but perhaps the weighting of the finish on the metal as it involves resonance as you suggested.  lol I just teach English, sing, and play guitar! lol  The link you posted for the studio mic was a good deal! Too bad that the offer has expired. --Mike


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I didn't realize it expired Mike.   I get these "Deals" on my welcome screen (rather than the depressing news), and some I suppose are only 1 day specials

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The way I see it is if someone is in the market for a studio mic for a good price, a person can now have a make and model to keep an eye out for.  If someone was to do a search for this particular mic, they might just find that another store online has the same deal, you never know!  For me, I have a really good studio mic, but I enjoy reading the specs on music products. I like to see what is going on new in the world of music. Thanks for passing the link my way! --Mike


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Scientists dispel the mystery surrounding
Stradivarius violins
Antonius Stradivarius violins are shrouded in more myths than any other instruments in world
history. At Mid Sweden University, researchers are using modern technology to uncover his secrets.
At the international acoustics conference ICSV12, taking place in Lisbon on July 11-14, 2005,
Associate Professor Mats Tinnsten will be presenting the latest research findings in the field.
"It's not possible to copy Stradivarius violins exactly, since wood is a living material with great natural
variations. The results of new research indicate, however, that we will be able to overcome such difficulties
with the aid of advanced computer support," says Mats Tinnsten.
The Italian Antonius Stradivarius, 1644-1737, introduced a geometry and design that became the exemplar
for all violin-makers. Of the 1,100 instruments he built, some 650 still survive. The extremely high value of
these instruments was demonstrated at an auction at Christie's in London in April. The 'Lady Tennant'
Stradivarius violin sold for more than SEK 14 million, the auction record for a musical instrument.
"His craftsmanship is still unexcelled. Few after the death of Stradivarius have managed to produce
anything that even approaches his best work," says Mats Tinnsten, who, together with Associate Professor
Peter Carlsson, is researching whether it is possible to copy Stradivarius violins with the aid of modern
technology and powerful computers.
What the Mid Sweden University scientists are trying to create is a violin with the same acoustic properties
as a Stradivarius instrument. This work is progressing in stages, and it was decided that the first stage
would involve calculations based on the top of the violin.
"With the help of advanced mathematical optimization method, we can determine how a top should be
shaped to achieve the same properties as a top from a genuine Stradivarius," says Peter Carlsson.
The reason it is not possible to simply copy a top or an entire violin exactly is that it can never be assumed
that the new top will have the same material properties as the old one.
During the 12th International Congress on Sound and Vibration, ICSV12 at the Lisbon University of
Technology, Mats Tinnsten will show how far along he and Peter Carlsson have progressed in their pursuit
of the perfect violin.
"Stradivarius violins were made of slow-growth spruce. Perhaps our research will help create a new
instrument-making industry in northern Sweden," concludes Peter Carlsson.
Source: Swedish Research Council
This document is subject to copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study, research, no part
may be reproduced without the written permission. The content is provided for information purposes only.
Original story at www.physorg.com/news5027.html Page 1/1

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:58 am 
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Steven, Thanks for posting that information. I have always been facinated with violins.  I own 2 and enjoy taking them from their cases every now and then to try and play them.  I have also always wondered if anyone would ever be able to reproduce the quality of instrument Stadivarius made. I have found myself over the years, when looking at old violins, looking inside to see if there was any indication that I might have my hands on one.  I always hoped that someone would have no idea what they possessed and would be in the market to sell cheep! lol I have had some luck that way. I own a beautiful blonde violin that has inlaid turquoise in the neck and scroll.  I bought it back in 1976 (I think). I was at a lake with some friends to do some water skiing. Early that morining, I was listening to a local radio station and they were doing a program where people in town had things to sell. I heard about the violin and wrote the address down. When I arrived at the person's house, I found that she was a young mexican girl whose husband had walked out on her and 2 kids. She needed money. I asked her what she wanted for the violin and she told me she would take $200.00 for it. I opened the old wooden case and pulled the violin out, put some rosin on the bow and played a short little tune.  I quickly gave her the money and started out the door when a man asked to see it.  I showed him the violin and he offered me $3,000.00 on the spot. To me, I don't buy an instrument to sell it for profit, I buy them to collect them and play on them.  I just smiled, said no thank you, and walked away with my new violin. It may not even be worth the $200.00 I payed for it, but I like it and it has a beautiful sound when played. To me, I made a good deal.
If and when you hear more on the iformation you provided, let me know. I really am interested in this.--Mike


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Lyricss:  Songs and meanings..  Something we touched on in the Critique thread.

http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?l ... =25&page=2

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the explaination by the 26 year old calling herself the eye was spot on in my opinion

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I want to read all these now,  since I've retired my microphone and am in bed with my flubug where I belong.  I should know this song since it's among the most influential and well known songs of my youth,  Shows how little attention I've always payed to lyrics..  Yet this type of discussion never ensued in my past... Folks just loved to sing this song without knowing what it meant.. Or perhaps they did know what It meant and assumed others did as well... At any rate, I have no excuse..LOL.. Time to read a few of these and see how it's interpretted

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rest easy Kappy and get well...straining your vocals by singing when you shouldnt is a very bad idea indeed

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I'm being optimistic about this... ::::swabbing throat with steel wool as we speak too::::.. FINALLY I'll be able to sing "Guess Who",  Brian Adams, and Rod Stewart stuff !  That's the beauty of this respiratory gunk  :oh yeah:

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OK I'll post this question here instead of in the Lounge. :)
Hey Steven and anybody else, do you have any idea what the going price is for a 1966 Vox Berkeley Super Reverb tube version amplifier? It's in very good condition w/ the covers and foot pedal.  It's this guitar amp here: http://www.voxshowroom.com/us/amp/berk.html


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Odie,  I was much too young to appreciate this guy when I first and last heard him around 1981-1982.  What an amazing jazz/Fusion band !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSw-XT9i ... re=related

I've never heard so many passing tones so tastefully resolved and used in a more traditional composition format.

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