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I totally agree with most of this, but (there is always a big but somewhere, ) I think that an Alliance and the possibility of having a program where KJ's become certified are two different things.  Yes, I do not believe that a certification program would work.  For all the reasons you listed and probably even more.  

However, I do still believe that what we have here on The Karaoke-scene forum is an Alliance.    Just by definition this is an Alliance.

al·li·ance  
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈlî-ən(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 a: the state of being allied : the action of allying b: a bond or connection between families, states, parties, or individuals
2: an association to further the common interests of the members

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I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here.

Using Lonmans gig as the example.

If i was a new or existing KJ in the area.

Existing KJs know he has had the job for 15 years.

New KJs may or may not.    There are many starving KJs for whatever reasons.

Reasons i would drop off info to his bar owner.

1.  If i wanted his job, the main reason would be JEALOUSY.    You have to admit it's a sweet setup.

Second reason would be, I was at the show and i thought i could do better for whatever reason.

Third reason would be, i heard they might not be happy with him and were looking for a replacement.

Fourth reason would be he wants to quit.

Fifth reason would be he is on his death bed and has one foot on a banana peel.

Sixth reason would be, i'm a backstabbing undercutter and i just want the money and pretege of doing a successful show.   Not knowing that Lonman is the reason for the shows success.  And the reason i have so many open dates is i suck and can't keep jobs.   But i'm oblivious to that fact, in reality.

Well in that respect then yes you could say this forum is an alliance.

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Perhaps not an alliance as such but a common code of ethics?

Aside from that, there is only one reason anyone loses a bar gig, and that's because you're not making enough money for the bar.

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Why not just an Association for karaoke?

Djs have:

ADJA- American DJ Association

NAME- National Association of Mobile Entertainers

...and CERTAINLY not all DJS do it the same way or have the same rules!

- and didn't member Mike V. used to run American Karaoke Association? What ever happened to that???

Exweed- code of ethics...that sounds like a good idea but how would it be implemented?    J.R.

Certification frightens everybody because they think they will have to adhere to a certain rules and even prove they are legal. All a cert does is prove a standard of knowledge in your craft. I still have  first class Radio & Telephone license which the FCC used to require to maintain, tune, or repair TV, FM, AM or 2way transmitters.  I still have a certified Electronics Tech license which some manus like RCA required to be a certified tech for manu warranty.  It does not carry laws which everybody now takes for granted and does not know the constitution or human rights.

A karaoke certification would prove that you have extensive knowledge in sound systems and are fully knowledgeable in doing karaoke shows. Gradually it would be a standard that venues would require before hiring.  An association would provide seminars in all aspects and issue a cert that you are a qualified karaoke host. It has nothing to do with rules or formats which some want to apply to everybody else. A cert does not bind a member to rules but only certifies that they have passed a test in general knowledge of their craft and are not a fly by nighter.

A state by state association would foster this concept and promote professionalism in our craft.. Masterblaster and melly and all KJ'S in co we need to get together to start a Colorado karaoke association..

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RUN WITH IT OLLIE!  LMAO  LMAO

It would seem a certification program would also imply that a KJ could lose certification if singers/bar started complaining about shoddy karaoke and the certification agency investigated (or received a certain number of complaints).  Or is that the type of certification being described?

If a certification program was put into place I would think it would be like being a Microsoft certified professional.  My husband has that cert and all it means is that he has taken microsofts test and is considered an expert.  A company could not come back and complain on him and have his certs removed with any type of investigation.

I still see this site as a type of alliance. You could actually use this site as a selling point by telling prospective clients that you are a proud member of Karaoke Scene.

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[quote="exweedfarmer @ Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:34 pm"]Perhaps not an alliance as such but a common code of ethics?

Aside from that, there is only one reason anyone loses a bar gig, and that's because you're not making enough money for the bar.


The bar isn't making enough money,  :yes: but it doesn't mean it's always the KJs fault.

The AKK never wanted to recognize computer kjs as they were technically breaking the law, and didn't even want to try to work with manus and lawmakers upgrading certain laws. To many on the AKK, they promoted certification, standards, rates, certain equipment to be used (what they called professional equipment), and using DISCS only.

I disagreed with this, and there were schizms in the group. There was some infighting and a lot of censorship within the forum. The guy that provided the forum space on his server didn't like cross advertising and posts were removed. This upset many of the members as well... finally it disintergrated when Mike got fed up with all the b.s....

I tried to argue that as long as the computer folks bought their cdgs and converted them to the computer format, they should be considered as part of the solution, not part of the problem.  Even tried to form my own association after THAT was disagreed with, but it never went anywhere.

Yea Matt I remember that and I think there was another one that fizzled out for the same reasons. We were involved with forming the National Dart Association. A national association could not be formed on the net. It would take a grassroots state by state level then merged into a national level.

The initial bylaws should be basic and structured for promoting karaoke, provide tools and seminars to improve KJ'S not police them. A strong association would have the leverage to start changing the laws. I say this but what laws are we going to change? Until somebody can give me a .gov link with copyright revisions that state in black and white that hard drives or format shifting is illegal for karaoke use then you havnt proven to me its illegal.

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 I was thinking of a fairly broad statement of ethics which might include not playing pirated music, doing your best to improve the total on the z tape, etc.

It couldn't get too specific or prohibitive because no two shows (except the really dull ones) are exactly alike.

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