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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:55 pm 
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moony @ Sun Apr 13, 2008 wrote:
[font=Comic Sans MS]Well, I agree that not only people that can sing can give constructive criticism, but for me they have to be into music in a way or another, like songwriters, coaches, people that can play an instrument...etc (not any who can handle a mic is competent enough).
Yeah, they have to know what they are talking about...but mostly the contrary is the case.
Good ears? Right, but how can you have some, if you have no clue about music?
Btw...A good critic is able to say his opinion on every genre and is not hiding behind just one, true?
It's the same with comments...just because YOU are not into country, show tunes or foreign language (just an example), but are stuck yourself into oldies, you don't give others a chance? Not fair, I would say...
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Mona, I agree with your quote totally. It's the opinion I've expressed to many and I don't participate much in the forums but when I read this last comment from you, I thought yep, I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I think that musical taste is in the ear of the beholder.. but I have to say family is NOT always the most 'fluffing'.. One of my siblings has told me that she 'hates' my singing and laughs at it. I am quoting that directly. Her taste in  who she deems as decent singers are just the opposite of those I listen to.. but 'different strokes for different folks' is the bottom line.  When I say I am my own biggest critic, I mean that. I can pick apart my voice as if I am Simon Cowell so when I post on the showcase, I am not after critique, nor fluff, I just like the feeling of sharing, cause someone's bound to like it,  someone's not. I think especially in online critiqueing or  suggesting, one needs to review their comment before sending it off because misunderstandings are more apt to occur without the eye contact etc...For me, in my wall of worry state, I don't need any more picking apart from someone whose agenda I really don't know,  I can do it myself, at least I know where it's really coming from :)


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yeah I agree Joyce misunderstanding is so easy...but I feel the responsibility lies not only with the one sending the "critique" to review what they type, but also with the person receiving it. If there is  something potentially ambiguous, instead of jumping to a conclusion that it is meant to be negative, ask first...that way misunderstandings cant occur...well at least thats my theory lol

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:10 am 
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:handshake:   Ok, This isn't a spot that ALL of us haven't been in one time or another.. And we lived through it.. Jerry I think you did the correct thing in going PM whit the person.. One of the very first songs I posted , someone wrote back and said that if I want a true critique, let them know and we would do it PM style..

Well I did... What I got back, wasn't spiteful, but I wasn't overly happy either.. Lots of corrections, but some help too.. Being Very interested in all this person told me I started to check out THEIR sub's, and other comments/ bio's on the person..

Well I soon found out from reading through these that the best "fluff" comes from yourself..  NOW by no way, am I a pro singer, or even close.. BUT it's FUN.. When I started being invited to shows, and even placed first to sing after not being at one of our normal sings, well I soon figured out... the old saying is true.. Everybody has an opion, some are just better than others..  Jerry DEAD ON< my two booted friend.. The PM way was the way to go....    

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:18 am 
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MorganLeFey @ Tue Apr 15, 2008 wrote:
yeah I agree Joyce misunderstanding is so easy...but I feel the responsibility lies not only with the one sending the "critique" to review what they type, but also with the person receiving it. If there is  something potentially ambiguous, instead of jumping to a conclusion that it is meant to be negative, ask first...that way misunderstandings cant occur...well at least thats my theory lol


Yep definitely a two way street and depending on the 2 cars involved you can either have a crash or an averted accident.. you know though on a few of the instances where i had received critiquey comments, they did seem vague so I pm'd them, asking for assistance and neither one responded.. so each situation is different.


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but I have to say family is NOT always the most 'fluffing'


Mine told me to "Forget it".  Just enjoy it, I'm no singer.  So I said, "I know, what would make me a singer"..  Answer was

"Years of lessons, and learning how to sing". Now while I keep that in mind,  that isn't going to happen, but I still try within reason.. (whatever that means). Yet what is is.. and if I aint, I aint.. Sobeit..  I'd rather hear it before I develop a fathead and think I'm gods gift to singing..

but more, much more than that, I'll do it my way :drunk:

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I didn't see the comments, but I agree with most of what moony says. It's very easy to take offense online, so it's better just to either assume the person didn't mean it the way you took it (you can always ask them, "Did you mean...?" or just ignore them.  If they truly are trying to be nasty, then they are looking for a response, so why give it to them? Otherwise they are probably just a bit insensitive or socially inept.  Or things that sound good in their head don't come over well on the page.  You don't hear their inflection, tone etc. so you can't know how they meant it.  And what's rude to you may not be rude to me, and so on.  We were all raised with different values and manners.  

OTOH, if you chose "critique" when you posted your song, and they give you critique, you have no right to be offended unless they outright call you names or say you suck.  They are taking the time to give you their opinion, and you asked for it.  if you didn't choose critique, then you should PM them and explain how the rules here work.

The only thing I don't agree with Moony about is that I, for one, do not say "awesome" excellent etc. on every single comment. I only say it for the ones I like.  I try to always say something nice, even if it's just "I enjoyed it" or "this song suits your voice" or "You have improved a lot".  But I think some people are just really picky. I am not picky about other people's singing so much.  I can enjoy singing even if the singer is not perfect.

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