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Reading part of that ...you could be in trouble if you talk about someone losing their karaoke virginity.  Could be interpeted as a sex act or simulated sex act.  :shock:


And not to beat a dead horse, but what about sexual song content and discriptive language?    Read their rules.

OMG thats gotta be the dumbest law ive ever heard!! ooh wait isnt it Washington state where its illegal to have intercorse with a virgin, even if she's your wife? Im sure all law abiding married couples go out of state on there wedding night.  :O

Seriously, It must be your area of the country, here Beer is almost always comped by the bar. I do have one show that limits me to 3. thats fine with me. Wisconsin is still verry German and has a LOT of German traditions. its rude not to drink with your guests in a party atmosphere.....not having a couple while doing a show?...huumph thats like asking us not to breathe.

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There is a BIG differance between having a drink while being a KJ and being DRUNK while being a KJ.

I see nothing wrong with drinking while hosting at a bar gig ( WITH MANAGEMENT APPROVAL OF COURSE) .   If you're getting wasted every night then you have a PROBLEM .

It's common sense you're working in a bar and as LONG as the management don't mind ...................GO FOR IT

At most I have 1 shot.. I guess I wont be doin g any Friend Finders or swingers gigs there. Lap dances are probably totally out of the question too. Here I am an independent contractor. Does this mean if you are hurt you can file for workmans comp? seems to me they are stretching laws written for strippers clubs.

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The differenciating point is wether u are an EMPLOYEE of the bar. House DJ's on the clock are, who are hourly employees, filling out an official timecard. Therefore they cannot drink being an actual EMPLOYEE of the bar.

Contracted independent KJ's-people like Knightshow, Lonnie, even Sidewinder(or should I say BD???) who are independent business operators are allowed to drink as they are NOT on the clock, do not fill out a timecard and are not listed as "EMPLOYEES" of the bar.

This includes bands which are independent businesses and not "EMPLOYEES' of the bar.

But my own opinion is that NO PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS OPERATOR(KJ) should even think of drinking on the job. Too much opprotunity for clouding of judgment, interfereing with performance and liablilty issues.

NEVER DRINK AND KJ!!

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

I usually have a couple of drinks to loosen up  :drunk:

I can't drink much though, or I have trouble with my old brain not working right. On a busy night, i would get lost really fast if I didn't keep my head. Plus, I would never be able to tear down and load my truck. Then there's driving an hour after closing. Some of the places i work at, have cops sitting out front waiting for the drunks.

Actually according to the gal I was emailing with, she said quite the opposite.  Here is a quote from her.



I did go on to ask if it was basically a law that really isn't enforced.  I've worked with several bands & have never seen one not drink while playing.  Most of the bands work a bar tab into their pay.  Same with kj's/dj's, rarely see one not drinking at least one.  Then the dancing with patrons is another stupid law.  I always danced with people when I was hosting.  I will continue to do so as well.

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What country are you guys from? Very strange law you have there.

I've lived in WA most of my life and can tell you for sure that most of the law is a crock'o'sh...  If one law is for it there's another law against it.  I used to get around the no nakedness law with a roll of pennies and an "Ethnic Dancer" sign up sheet.  The enthnicity was "American Bar Beeach."

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Okay, who took my pants?

Holy cow!!! No dancing with the patrons.  I should be in jail for the rest of my life on that one.  I am constantly dancing with my patrons when I am working.  Heck, I have been known to drag people out of their seats to come dance with me.  

Hmmm.... All you KJ's in WA better watch out because now do I not only want to sing at your shows I want to get you to brak the law and dance with me too.    :dancin:  :dancin:  :dancin:

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Oh Sharon---youre not DANCING WITH THE PATRONS----YOURE FREAKIN'!!!

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

Well Im In Oregon so WA laws dont apply!!

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

Quote:
"................It is illegal for anyone working for a liquor licensed establishment to consume alcohol while on duty; this not only includes waiters, waitresses and bartenders, but it also includes entertainers whether they are hired employees or contracted on a night by night basis.

The owner of an establishment is responsible for the actions and behaviors of their employees and their customers.  Entertainers are considered employees of the owner............
Ashley Miller

Washington State Liquor Control Board

You are on the bar owners private property and anything you do to jeapardize his establishment and patrons would make you and him liable.

A bar i use to do had a lawsuit (with a $15,000 setllement) against them because a guy (patron) that helped the bar maid change a barrell, later got int to a fight with somebody else in the bar.    "Someone else" got injured.  He sued the bar claiming he was injured by a bar "employee," because he changed the barrell.   So much for being a nice guy.   Now consider that Mr. Nice Guy was there and drinking.   Don't know if he was drunk, but regardless.  If you get into an altercation you could be given a breath test to establish if you are drunk or not.   Ever have a disgruntled drunk singer get testy, that thinks you are skipping him in the rotation?    :O   It has already been established that you were under contract with the bar and could be considered an "employee."   Also involving the bar owner.

Too often overlooked is the liabilty to the bar for the KJ's actions or inactions, etc.

Good that you point this out SW.

In Oregon we have the OLCC(Oregon Liqour Control Commission) that comes around and checks for all that kind of stuff.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

No, I think you read that wrong, it says:

(3) No retail licensee, and no servant, agent, employee, or entertainer employed at the licensed premises or employed on a contractual basis to entertain or work upon the licensed premises shall spend time or dance with any patron, customer or visitor in or upon the licensed premises and receive therefor from said patron, customer, or visitor, either directly or indirectly, any commission, remuneration, or compensation.
   (4) No retail licensee, and no servant, agent, or employee employed on the licensed premises shall permit any person to spend time or dance with any patron, customer, or visitor in or upon the licensed premises and for which said person receives therefor from said patron, customer, or visitor either directly or indirectly any commission, remuneration, or compensation.

You can dance with a customer, just dont let them tip you  LOL

K, thanks for the insight too. I would just like to think that everyone can have fun doing their job, and if it means have a couple drinks well why not unless you cant handle it. And not that you are the alcohol prude but lord knows I have met a few.

But as far as the drinking laws and restrictions you will also notice it only pertains to MINOR (Underage) entertainers. Not those who are of legal drinking age.

I think people have become scared into certain roles of how to and how not to, and I dont see the harm in anyone having a couple drinks, one of my favorite hosts drinks, another host I go to shows does a ritual shot toast with all the singers, and then I know many hosts that dont drink at all, and that is either because people talk bad about hosts that drink so they avoid the conflict, or they just dont drink at all.
And in some cases bars have a policy that no one that does entertainment can drink. But those bars dont even have karaoke or bands go figure.

TTowntenor-Dance away my friend!!!

Well now....If I couldn't dance and couldn't sing too, I'd be in real deep doo-doo!  At that point, I would totally jack UP my price to do an gigs, since 100% of the joy and fun has been taking out of it.  Pushes all back towards the 'karaoke jukebox', who need kj's when you got this electronic piece of &@*&$@!  If they want to bust me for having a good time...well then, bring it on.  Waste more of the tax payers $$$...MrD

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I drink throughout the show. I have never seen a problem with that. In all honesty it does loosen me up a bit, and sometimes you need that to deal with some of the "great" singers out there :drunk. I don't usually get drunk although I have ashamed to say. IMO Drinking is all good

There are reasons your "real job" employer doesn't allow on the job drinking.  Any guesses why?

Why don't you consider your karaoke job as a real job.   It is.  The bar owner has certain expectations from the hired help.   I'm sure most if not all of his hired help is not allowed to drink during working hours.   Why?    What makes you any different?   Shouldn't he have the same expectations from you?

Drinking or drunk emlpoyees are a RISK FACTOR.   It's why you aren't allowed to drive drunk.    You could be injured or injure others.  This causes a LIABILITY FACTOR for you and the bar owner.    All can and will be sued for damages.

Drinking on you job IMO shows no regard for your reputation or your business or the bar owner.     I wouldn't hire you.

Funny story I worked for a company that drank while hosting.  When I took over the club, the manager told me I had to quit drinking while working, I complied.  Everyone complained that it wasn't the same.  After about 2 weeks, the manager came up to me while I was working with 2 shots & a beer & said here have a drink.  Never had a problem since, although I have never gotten to a point I could not run a show & hardly drink at all anymore since 01.  
If the manager of the bar don't want a kj to drink while working, then they shouldn't buy the kj drinks while working.  They now even have it in their entertainment policy now that the entertainment may drink as long as they do not appear visibly or audibly intoxicated.

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I can guarantee that if the police become invovled the one that hasn't been drinking is going to be the one they listen to.   Drunk, gets different treatment.

I want to be the one on the right side of the fence.    I'm a respectable non drinking businessman officer and this drunk came over and .... .....