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Looking this over this morning this is tougher than I thought. You guys all have different ideas on what's allowed and what's not.

But OK here's where you may get into trouble because these are in the Supercore and Sweet Georgia Brown sets so you may have them in your books and not even know what they are.

SPC-02-04 You Oughta Know
SPC-20-15 She Hates Me

SGB-42-02 The Bad Touch
SGB-65-01 Because I Get High

And after that I don't know with these sets. I got it trouble before I landed my current home room letting someone do SPC-18-11 "Without Me" (Eminem) in a bar that was trying me out three years ago. I thought this one should have been allowed, but they didn't.

There are good reasons why I'm where I am today.

It's kind of funny because once karaoke really took off in my current room they approached my about going back with more freedom. Yeah... right...

Anyway here's a few more just off the top of my head. This is the non-rap stuff with no expletives in the title and minus the obvious things like Adam Sandler, 2 Live Crew, etc :

Disturbed - Down With The Sickness (actually any Disturbed)
Nine Inch Nails - Closer
Papa Roach - Last Resort
Violent Femmes - Add It Up
Pink - U & Ur Hand
Frankee - FURB
System Of A Down - Sugar
Good Charolette - The Anthem
and tons more....but my mind is mush right now.

Tonight I'm actually doing a combination of live music and karaoke in an Elks lodge. I've done this one before. I'll take the Bose 802s (good speakers for this). And the books... remember I said I put the country and oldies in a separate book... those ones. If anyone wants to do anything new they can come up and talk to me about it.


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Bill H. @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:38 am wrote:
Anyway here's a few more just off the top of my head. This is the non-rap stuff with no expletives in the title and minus the obvious things like Adam Sandler, 2 Live Crew, etc :

Disturbed - Down With The Sickness (actually any Disturbed)


No not all Disturbed songs are bad.  Land Of Confusion, Remember & Prayer are all fine.

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Good Charolette - The Anthem


Not sure what is really wrong with this one here?

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Yeah I shouldn't have been as general about Disturbed. I was thinking about the two others most done in my room "Meaning Of Life" and "St... aaah I can't say it because it's a great song and I don't want anyone pulling it!!!

I just checked "The Anthem" and you are right. The part that the guys yell out before the break isn't on the screen. And I'm not sure if it's in another version or if they're coming up with it on their own. Since it's being done by more than one I think it's a different version but I dunno.


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Bill H. @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:15 am wrote:
I just checked "The Anthem" and you are right. The part that the guys yell out before the break isn't on the screen. And I'm not sure if it's in another version or if they're coming up with it on their own. Since it's being done by more than one I think it's a different version but I dunno.


Well if you are going to pull a song just because the crowd is going to participate & yell out (on screen or not) then there are a couple others far worse than them yelling "your playing with yourself" 1 time in the song.
Hank WIlliams Jr - Family Tradition
Billy Idol - Mony Mony
Tom Jones - Delilah
just to name a couple.

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That's not what they're yelling. And it wasn't a good song to put up just the last song of last night and in my head.

And....I'm not pulling anything and just realized I have no business telling anyone what to allow or not. This wasn't a good idea.


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Bill H. @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:35 am wrote:
That's not what they're yelling. And it wasn't a good song to put up just the last song of last night and in my head.

And....I'm not pulling anything and just realized I have no business telling anyone what to allow or not. This wasn't a good idea.


Oh, what are they yelling?  lol.

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[font=verdana]Eric, I applaud you for your concern about lyrics.  I am sure no one is going to be offended by a ‘clean show’ but think perhaps several would be offended by one that doesn’t set some limits on what is allowed. At a recent show a young man sang a song with lyrics that had to do with a shampoo bottle in one of his body orifices, way too vulgar for my taste, I left shortly after that.  Personally, I would love a list of the songs that contain vulgar and disgusting lyrics.  I sent our song book to my granddaughter in GA, so she could mark the ones for me that she would find objectionable.  I expected just 'yea' or 'nay' ratings, but she is rating everything the same way they rate movies...lol  'G', 'PG', etc. [/font]

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Hey Lonnie, maybe you could add "Living Next Door To Alice"  (the original version) to that list!  LOL    

Though the lyrics don't show it, nearly always have someone yell the new version's  "Alice....   Who The F.... Is Alice?"  from the audience!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:57 pm 
At an explicitly adult venue, what songs are "off-color" would be worth knowing but would not necessarily result in my becoming a censor.

But the restaurants/bars, where I typically have my shows, cause me concern.  I often think back to the Sunday afternoon that I took my 12 year old daughter to her first karaoke show.  But... that was long ago. Back then I needn't be concerned about the lyrics.  Where would one take a 12 year old daughter today, without being concerned?

If I had a list of what songs that are questionable, whether because of profanity, strongly suggestive and or explicit lyrics, I could better control my environment.  If there is some disagreement about the intensity of the lyrics in question, my wife could check them out on our Kiosk and be the final arbiter!!!

I hope more people will come forward with titles.

I can think of some:

Don't Cha?   - (@$%&#!) Cat Dolls
Luv Me, Luv Me - Shaggy


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Anything goes at my shows.  I work in a bar - minimum age is 21.  I see more boob and hear more crap then should be legal, then again I encourage it.  :)


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as long as were in PC mode, the crowd participation on "family tradition" is pretty racy..ooh yea and "Mony Mony" too. Ive heard "picture" sung "Wish I had a good girl to lick me" better 86 that one too......im not a big fan of censoring..OK i HATE it. show me a 2nd grader in the usa who hasnt heard the Fbomb 100 times..Why do we see the need to hide reality from kids??
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   In such a setting, where you are on a beech in an all ages area I would keep away from hip hop any way. as for other songs , you have to ask or even post a sign next to your TV stating that ALL lyrics are to be clean. there is nothing wrong with 99% of most to the songs listed. Just ask them to drop the offensive words or they will not sing.

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It all depends on the audiences or bars allowance.  Some places I've been told or the songs states on the book "Not sung until 11"    But then again I see other songs My Chemical Romance - Teenagers or Finger Eleven - Paralyzer not with that judgement.  So I do those songs and if it's up to me to self edit myself unless the KJ does the job.   But there's standards where the slightest reference Collective Soul - December isn't allowed.    

I can understand in a grill & bar like a Buffalo Wings setting, but when it's a 21+ venue, I can smoke, get drunk, gamble on a game, and possibly get an STD but not a vulgar word can be spoken??


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Murrlyn @ Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:43 am wrote:
Hey Lonnie, maybe you could add "Living Next Door To Alice"  (the original version) to that list!  LOL    

Though the lyrics don't show it, nearly always have someone yell the new version's  "Alice....   Who The F.... Is Alice?"  from the audience!

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dunno if this was as big a hit over there as it was in nz and UK

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dbk1009 @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:00 am wrote:
Yes SW....

Rap and Hip Hop gave us classics like Back Door Man, Rag Doll, Love in an Elevator, Whole lotta love, You Outta Know, etc...

As for helping to make the list, I would be interested in seeing it.

My addition- Break stuff- Linkin Park



In what country are these songs considered rap and hip hop??? :O  LMAO  LMAO


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:36 am 
Let's, for discussion purposes, assume that I am the final arbiter of what can be sung, though I would say it is the venue owner who has that power.  In fact, I know a DJ who was fired about 10 years ago for playing the Rodeo Song!

Let's says that it is appropriate for me to ban certain songs at my "family style" venues.  Or, let's say I want to put a note in my book that at certain times, certain songs are forbidden.  How do I do that if I don't know which songs fall within those defined parameters?

Lastly,  I don't think msot parents make decisions regarding what's best for their children based upon how many times their child has already experienced a particular bad behavior. And when they complain to the owner about the choice of music, I don't think it would be prudent for the owner to makes such an excuse to the parent.  So, if it's a choice of the owner firing himself/herself, the child's parent, or me, who do you think will get canned?


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As one who has been going into bars since '46 I do not understand some of the comments regarding bars here. I have been in the meanest port bars in the world and have seen things that make your blood curl. I almost ventured into an opium den in Turkey one time while on shore patrol. I have been in brawls that literally destroyed the place.

In our part of the world the corner bar is merely an extension of the daytime cafe. If kids are present everybody minds their mouth. If somebody's mother is there and you cuss you are liable to get your (@$%&#!) kicked. At the appropriate times we can party and get down and dirty. I have done gigs for friendfinders and the son's of satan motorcycle club. These were outside all nighters and Katy bar the door!!! We do not need to be regulated or told how to act as adults. I'm glad I live in a part Of America that is still America. God save the Queen!!!! LMAO

Yes that is 1946...

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supercharged @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:28 pm wrote:
im not a big fan of censoring..OK i HATE it. show me a 2nd grader in the usa who hasnt heard the Fbomb 100 times..Why do we see the need to hide reality from kids??

Perhaps it is that way where you live. It isn't everywhere, and not everybody has your standards (or lack thereof, as the case may be).

If you like hearing the F-word constantly, fine. Go where it is uncensored -- there are plenty of places to do that. But to denigrate venues that want to not have to listen to that stuff is ridiculous. One would hope that people could control themselves and not do it in inappropriate company, but some people will spew their profanity anywhere, and having rules stops it where people want it stopped.


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Perhaps it is that way where you live. It isn't everywhere, and not everybody has your standards (or lack thereof, as the case may be).

If you like hearing the F-word constantly, fine. Go where it is uncensored -- there are plenty of places to do that. But to denigrate venues that want to not have to listen to that stuff is ridiculous. One would hope that people could control themselves and not do it in inappropriate company, but some people will spew their profanity anywhere, and having rules stops it where people want it stopped.


Mickey I respect your opinion very much. However in the major portions of this country there are communities and cities that resent the constant passage of laws that erode the bill  of human rights which they do not even teach in schools anymore. If you want to be regulated then go to Russia. We have unwritten laws that are part of the natural and spiritual laws that truly govern. They have governed since the beginning and will govern forever. Secular laws written in the books will someday turn into dust.

I am not my brothers' keeper or responsible for my singers or anybody elses morals. My audience will determine whether such acts are appropriate At times they will be abhorrent  at other times accepted. It depends upon the time and place. But to wholesale regulate or form rules for everybody else is a typical liberal ploy for power and control. Personally I am tired of it.

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Lonman @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:34 am wrote:
What's wrong with Blvd Of Broken Dreams?   Other than the fact it does drop 1 f-bomb, otherwise it's a great song - be quick on the fader as a host & no one even has to know that it was even in there.


I've never sung that, but I think I'd like to sometime.  If I do, I would just change "f'd up" to "messed up".  It wouldn't affect the rhyme or rhythm of the song.   I do that sometimes--use euphemisms instead of the original word.  Once I sang "Get This Party Started", and I went "I'll be burning rubber, they'll be kissing my" and then I made a sound like I was clearing my throat.   LOL

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Isis @ Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:36 am wrote:
Love to love you baby - Donna Summer

Yes, it is old but is very suggestive.  I once had a girl sing it and she rolled around on stage like she was pleasuring herself.  Had several people ask me to stop her in the middle of the song.  I found a logical place to stop the song and then told her she could not sing that song at that venue again.


I like most of Donna Summer's stuff (haven't sung any of it yet), but I don't care for "Love to Love You Baby'.  It's really annoying.  I read somewhere that after she became a Christian, she would do that song without all the, um, vocal effects. (The only problem is that if you do it that way, that mostly leaves you with "I love to love you baby" ad nauseum.  The lyrics are pretty boring; maybe that's why she felt the need to, er, spice it up originally.)

I did see a video on YouTube of Donna Summer performing the song live circa 2002 (and she had put on a LOT of weight, but that's beside the point).  It may have been part of a medley--I'm not sure.  She mostly had the audience sing along.  She whispered "I love you baby" a couple of times, but there was nothing really risque.  The clip wasn't the entire song, which is why I think it may have been part of a medley.

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