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mckyj57
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:10 pm |
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Jian @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:08 pm wrote: My wife, who is a teacher have been complaining to me about those kids in year 11 who still can't read and write.
Sure happens, especially in cities in the U.S.
It is pretty uncommon in the area we live, which is rural.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:18 pm |
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Quote: My wife, who is a teacher have been complaining to me about those kids in year 11 who still can't read and write. Regardless Jian, after being out've school for many years this happens to many of us at year 50. We forget how to spell, punctuate, and form paragraphs. The English language IS quite tricky. Depending on the language, composition is can be difficult. I'll bet mathematically they are years ahead of american kids. Year 11 I was still trying to figure out where all the apples went that were multiplied by zero :( Quote: Ah jees, I and my wife actually My wife & I. Yeah yeah! Take my wife out of the equation & Me had a similar isn't right - I know!
Just use the contraction "we'z both".. In the east coast I believe proper phrasiology is "the old lady and my own self"
It's just a matter of time before I start typing stuff such as
There were a goose at the pond.
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ml_texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:17 am |
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The most frustrating thing about my job is dealing with all of the kids who are unable to read and write. There are so many loopholes in education where kids just fall through the cracks. They are passed from level to level, grade to grade, and they never learn anything except how to play the system. They do not have an education and they don't want one. Somehow we have created a generation that believes ignorance is cool. The hero's and idols of the day are, for the most part, uneducated and unfit for society. The kids think they are great role models because of the way they flash money around and promote their lifesyle as exciting and adventurous. The kids emulate what they idolize, and we have a generation of kids leaving school who cannot do math nor can they speak or write properly. We also have a real problem today with the fact that many parents do not take an interest in their children's education. They do not actively and consistantly make their kids read. Many of them do not have much of an education themselves, so it is easy to see how they do not put any emphasis on their children getting one. I work long hard hours trying to find ways to get through to my students. One or two make a change for the better, but most just cruise on by without any desire to be any better. We are going to end up with kids entering the work force who are not even able to ask, "Do you want fries with that?" and be able to effectively hold a fast food job. (the load is off my chest and I can step down from my soapbox! Thanks for letting me rant and rave!)--Mike
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karyoker
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:32 am |
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One of my pet peeves is a gal checking you out. Meanwhile she is arguing with her boy friend on her cell phone. One timed I told a gal with a stern look LET ME SEE THAT!
She gave it to me. I said into the phone HEY Dont you know you're not supposed to call your girl friend at work!! Shut it off and handed it back to her. Can I get a bag please?
A few days later I went in and he as sanding there.. She started giggling. He finally found out After that we were buddies.
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Charmin_Gibson
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:49 pm |
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Lonman @ Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:37 pm wrote: . They have them all made up ahead of time & nuke the patty to warm them up. Don't get me started on wrong orders. You have to literally check each thing at the drive thru before you pull out - McDonalds is probably the worst for this. It's happened on occasion, but more often than not I do not get exactly what I ordered & have to go back inside to get correct order while the rest of the order is sitting getting cold.
Yep... Each and every time I go to any of the places. If, on rare occasion, they get the order right- then the spork is missing (or the napkin... or the straw)
I've been trying the last few months to not EVER go to fast food joints (for obvious reasons... I don't need the junk food/carbs/etc)... it's just SO easy to do when you're rushed on your lunch break... but I'm betting my stress level will decrease as well when I break the habit. I've been known to get rude a few times when my order is bass-ackwards. My husband hates going to fast food with me- he swears they spit in my food when I make them correct the order.
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Keith02
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:42 pm |
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Me n riding buddy stop at Logan's last week.......all the staff is standing round wearing baggy pants down round their butts with Logans T-Shirts and ballcaps..Gold teeth....gold necklaces....looked like a bunch of ghetto gangstas.....one had his Ipod blasting Rap.
Fat pierced chick approaches table to take order....I ask for manager....he shows up....I point to gangsta staff and state "I'll never eat here again" and then me n buddy leave......That used to be my fav place for a steak.
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Steven Kaplan
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:51 pm |
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Quote: They are passed from level to level, grade to grade, and they never learn anything except how to play the system. They do not have an education and they don't want one. Somehow we have created a generation that believes ignorance is cool. The hero's and idols of the day are, for the most part, uneducated and unfit for society. The kids think they are great role models because of the way they flash money around and promote their lifesyle as exciting and adventurous. The kids emulate what they idolize, and we have a generation of kids leaving school who cannot do math nor can they speak or write properly. We also have a real problem today with the fact that many parents do not take an interest in their children's education. They do not actively and consistantly make their kids read. Many of them do not have much of an education themselves, so it is easy to see how they do not put any emphasis on their children getting one. I work long hard hours trying to find ways to get through to my students. One or two make a change for the better, but most just cruise on by without any desire to be any better.
I suppose as long as the PTA has authority and consists of a relatively large number of parents in denial, problems will exist.
I forgot the correct way to structure and punctuate the above sentence.
Would it be
Problems will arise as long as those in positions of authority (PTA consisting of many parents in denial) exists.
This is where sentence structure becomes tricky IMO
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sidewinder
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:06 pm |
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I love Whoppers...
We had a brand new BK open in the hood. We use to go and every time the order was wrong. I told my wife that this place won't last long. Within a few years it was indeed out of business.
I have an uncanny way of prediciting what businesses will last and which ones are on the road to failure. I have successfully predicted many bar closings over the years. And KJ failures too. Much of my competition. Who's next?
This whole thing goes back to the ...every kid has to be equal in school. Evryone makes the team, just like real live huh? Every kid passes all the classes and grade levels. Every kid graduates with his class. We are raising a generation of whimps. We won't be able to count on them for anything... they can even count..
The foundations of this country have been based on competition. With everyone equal...what competition? Why do i have to be better? I already am equal to everyone else. We are all equal losers. Pray for the end of days...It's the only thing that will save us from the future we are creating.
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Chuck2
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:55 am |
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sidewinder @ Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:06 am wrote: Pray for the end of days...It's the only thing that will save us from the future we are creating.
Dec. 26, 2012, or is it the 24th?
So sayeth the Mayans.
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johnny reverb
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:10 am |
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The way the "no child left behind" law works is rather than hold one child back, we hold them all back. That's why we see things like this so often these days.
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jdmeister
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:15 am |
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Too big for the chair? Move them up a grade or two.. :shock:
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:07 am |
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To make it worse, the state (of Texas in this case) and apparently all states do this, make it hard on a school who keeps kids back because of their grades or because they are behind in their education. We are honestly turning kids out who are learning to play the system. They know they are going to be passed because it is against most school policies to hold kids back these days. Schools get heavy repremands for having too high of a precentage of low grades. Do the kids care? Absolutely not! Kids are entering the work force that are unable to read with much comprehension and their writing skills are disgusting. I sat in a fast food resturant not long ago and the manager/owner came out to my table to talk to me. She was angry and handed me a slip of paper. She asked me if I could understand what was written on it. I could not make it out. She said it was written by one of her girls, a high school kid. She called the girl out from the kitchen area and fired her on the spot, right in front of me. She told the girl that if she could not write, she did not need her as an employee. She told the girl to go back to school and actually learn what she had been neglecting to learn for the past 11 years of her life. As a teacher, that really made the lightbulb come on for me once again how important it is to be able to communicate to the world around us, whether at work, school, or in personal endeavors. The question arises; Is this the fault of the education system? Not entirely, many kids, as I have stated, have learned to play the system. This is a system not created by the schools, but by legislation. It is my opinion that we have legislators creating legislation for education and not one of them have any professional ability to deal with education issues. The "Education card" is played by legislators to further their political agendas to the detriment of kids in America who are paying a terrible price for the mess goverment makes out of the system. I hope this makes sense. I am trying to eat a fast lunch before my students come back to class and write this at the same time. lol --Mike
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:35 am |
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Politics are always a touchy subject in forums such as this, but I have a feeling this is one of the few topics most of us can agree on. We spend money quite frivolously in this country and lose sight of logic at the highest levels. Yes national defense is important, but if you divert $1 billion from the $100 billion+ budget, it would fund a national education initiative to double the teaching force and expand progams that teach rather than teach enough to pass standardized exams....
I am personally scared to death. I have a 4 year old, and he is in an early start program now with fantastic teachers, and really excelling. His reading and comprehension is almost 1st grade, but his social shills are still catching up. What worries me is what will happen to me when he is caught up an put into a regular program with all the other kids, and not given the individual treatment.
Many of the politicians pevert programs designed to fund education. I cannot speak for other states, but here in Florida, they enacted Lottery to "Help fund Education!" It was supposed to supplement the state coffers of money for education spending. What happens to the lotto money when we have a record jackpot like last week of $38 million? Do teachers get a raise? Do kids get moved out of trailers called temporar classrooms because new schools are built? NO. The $5-6 million the education fund gets allows the state to take BACK $5-6 million it had budgeted to education and spend it ELSEWHERE!!!!
SO, where is the problem with our education system? At the top. [/rant]
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:07 am |
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You brought up a key element to educating children today. You have your 4 yr. old in an early start program, that is wonderful. Better yet is to hear that he is excelling with his reading comprehension. This is a key element to success. What we, as educators, are finding out is that, due to one reason or another, many kids today do not have anyone take time to help them at an early age to develop good reading skills. My ex-wife and I read to my daughter from the day we brought her home from the hospital. We made books and reading a part of her life. She was reading before pre-school and has continued to develop her skills. She will graduate this year in the top 10 percent of her class with high academic honors. This did not happen because I am a teacher and she is a teacher's kid. It happened because we took time to work with her at an early age. My step kids on the other hand, were never worked with at an early age and they all struggle with reading. If you continue to work with your 4 yr. old, he will develop good skills that will carry him through high school and into college. Most all standardized tests have a foundation based on reading comprehension. It is proven that even math skills will be better if reading skills are good.
We have somewhat the same system here in Texas regarding the lottery. The state created the lottery to fund education. Somehow we never see the money reach us. For some reason, there is always something else to take the money away from us. I am not complaining about wages. I work at one of the wealthiest schools in the state. We have more than most teachers in the state, but we are still way behind the national average in pay scale.
The political problem I see with education is in the push for standarized testing. I do believe in accountability, but not at the expense of the education of kids. We have kids that can pass a standarized test but have no idea regarding the subject matter, nor can they apply anything they might know unless it involves multiple choice questions. The legislators go on TV and claim we are behind the rest of the world in education. No body ever thinks about the fact that we report everyone in our schools..including the special education kids. Many other countries only report those who are going to continue with academic instruction to acquire higher level education for career purposes. All of their others are placed in trade schools to learn how to lay bricks, or work their families small farms. We all need those trades too. I am not knocking any form of work, just that we , in the UA.SSA, report even the lowest students and many other countries do not report theirs. This makes us look as though our averages are much lower than those in other countries. The legislators use this to their advantage to promote their platforms on education, making huge promises to parents in the UA.SA. to educate their kids. As most of us are, good parents respond to their words. We don't want our kids to be behind anyone. We want them to be competitive even in a world market. The problem is people are being set up to believe something that is not necessarily true. We have smart kids in our schools. The standardized tests are designed to fail kids. The kids are sick of the pressure and they just give up and learn to play the system. No Child Left Behind is going to see to it that they go on, and America continues to struggle to provide graduates that can read or write. I want to believe that most teachers in America care as much about educating the kids they teach as I do. I will do anything I can to help my students to learn. Again, I hope this makes sense. I am writing this between classes--Mike
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mckyj57
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:51 am |
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A lot of kids cannot write with a pen any more. I will confess my penmanship has gotten terrible -- I use a keyboard for everything.
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:56 am |
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I understand that, however, there are still many applications where people must be able to use a pen and write where it can be read. More than that, it is just as important to be able to spell correctly as it is to know how to count back change from a cash register. Communication is a necessity of life, especially in the work force.--Mike
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sidewinder
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:10 pm |
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No child left behind is going to leave America behind the rest of the world. We will be a nation of illiterates and the world will run us over.
Don't hurt little Billy's feelings. It's better to pass him to the next grade as an idiot, than to hurt his feelings.
That is not what i want for my kids and i don't understand why anyone else would.
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:21 pm |
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I completely agree with you. I don't agree with passing students on regardless of abilities. The problem lies with administration and the pressure put on them by legislation and they in turn put the pressure on the principals of the schools and they in turn make threats to the teachers in the classrooms. Everything now hinges on quotas of passing in relation to failures. Only 1 percent of special ed kids are allowed to receive the help they need. They are required to take the same standarized test everyone else takes. I dont teach special ed, but it does frustrate me just the same to see these kids struggle as they do. It only gets worse with the rest of the student population. I as a parent first, and a teacher second, want to teach kids and help them. I want my daughter to receive a quality education. She needs to know more than how to pass standardized multiple choice tests. No Child Left Behind is, indeed, going to put our nation behind, and the legislators will blame the schools and teachers instead of taking the blame themselves for their failure to legislate education properly.--Mike
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Keith02
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:20 pm |
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It goes much deeper than not wanting to hurt a child's feelings if he/she is being left behind.
The root of the 'no child left behind' business is that it would embarrass all the single mom parents that their children actually need Father figures in their lives.
We are seeing the results of a nation full of step kids and bastards....why are we surprized?
Our kids are not only failing school, they are suffering from neglect, abuse and violence....our children are becoming victims and criminals
Go read 'lord of the flies'
Better yet, watch it now for free here: http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/lord_of_the_flies/
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