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I was browsing MF site looking at mixers - Currently I'm using a Behringer 1222FX - few years old so I was looking to see what is out there as a possible replacement / upgrade.  I was looking for an all in one  / Effects / Equalizer  / etc etc.

Besides the Mackie DFX12 - which is not RACKABLE --there is nothing out there in the $200-$300 range?  I did see some nice units from Peavey and Yamaha which have EFFECTS but no 5/7 band EQ in board.  When I 1st started out I did use a Peavey mixer with no EQ or Effects --HOW IMPORTANT IS THE 7 BAND EQ ( I know a 15-31 band is better ( but not going to happen for me).  Can you run a GOOD SOUNDING rig without an EQ just using the 3 band channel adjustments?

I did like the Mackie CFX12 MKII ---Little pricey for me $549  **HEY LON IS THIS THE ONE YOU ARE USING NOW?***   Anyway This looks like a nice unit but can't tell if it is "rackable"?  So it looks like my choices are a new  Behringer 1222FX (but why since the old one is still working) or really upgrading to the CFX12 MKII - Can some one tell me if I would notice a better overall sound using a better MIXER?

If you know of a good rackable mixer with effects and eq in the $200-$300 range let me know

Ironic that I should read this - We have the Mackie you're talking about - Limitation is no mid EQ for vocals. Does have EQ for music, which is nice. Built-in effects are okay...and it is indeed NOT rackmountable. We rigged it up fine on the DJ thingy we use and I had been satisfied with it for a while but found that not being able to add a nice midrange to most female voices really was limiting my ability to get a great sound. So.....

We just this past week replaced it with one of our Behringer boards that has 5 eq adjustments per channel. (low, low-mid, mid, high-mid, and high).  Built-in effects on the B are better than the ones on the Mackie, and it is rack mountable. However, I DID notice the difference in quality of the sound. Don't know if it's my imagination, but the Mackie produced a better overall sound. Could be a number of other things, so will keep the B in the rack until we can fine tune. Since we're going to install a switch box for DVD, we'll probably set it up in the living room and mess with it to figure out the best configuration for everything. Like I said, could be my imagination, but I did prefer the sound with Mackie.  (We were running sound through Mackie SM350s and SM450s)

k

Is this the one you have or is this a newer model of your mixer?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Eurorack-UB1222FXPRO-Mixer?sku=631229

K

Which Mackie board do you the DFX12 ? --If that's the one I agree with all you said --I was using a DFX12 before the Behringer but due to RACKMOUNTED and the NO MID range on the channel strips I sold the Mackie for the Behringer  which I agree also has BETTER EFFECTS than the DFX12. -- I'm really curious about the OTHER Mackie CFX12 MKII

Stogie

That's the EXACT mixer I have now --- I know Behringer has packaged a NEWER version  listed as http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=631270

Xenyx --- Don't know how much IMPROVED over the older version

Just curious, why do you want to replace the Behringer?

If the mixer is good, you won't need the onboard eq.  They are generally too small to do anything but a couple of tonal adjustments anyway.  I always ran mine flat & used the externals.



It used to be the one I had but I outgrew it, very nice board & will sound better than the current Behringer board - Karen isn't imagining.  When I got my CFX, it replaced a Soundcraft Spirit Folio 4 board, difference was night & day sound wise.
My current board is a Mackie 1642 VLZ3.
Oh & you can get rack ears for the CFX
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CFX12Ears/
I'm sure you can find them cheaper elsewhere.

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Lon, I forget you upgraded -- I bet that new board is SWEET ?


Stogie,  I am one not afraid to admit I LIKE BEHRINGER PRODUCTS !  
The board I have now is a few years old , works fine , all channels. EQ and effects
all working as day 1.   Every once in awhile I get the urge to BUY SOMETHING   - I was thinking of keeping my current set up and making it a back up and putting together something NEW.  Most likely get a bigger amp (500w x 2 @8ohms) and add my newly purchased DBX 266xl. So I was just ASKING about new mixers and to be honest can't see anything that compares to t he Behringer ( feature wise) for the same price range .  The MAcki CFXmkii is a nice board but seems BIG for what I use ( no subs / no processors / no external effects etc).

I might just get another Behringer  or try the Peavey or Yamaha without the band EQ ???

I looked at them all and bought a Yamaha MG124C (not X because I use external Lexicon).

What sold me on the Yamaha was the four channels of compression included. Compression makes a big difference for karaoke -- what a luxury to be able to turn up the compression when I get my mic cuppers and screamers. (It also seems to keep them from doing it when they realize they don't get that *oomph*.)

The only downside for me was no mono out. If you run stereo, it will work great.

Oh yeah!  It is actually VERY much cleaner sounding than even the CFX - and that was a much cleaner sounding board over my previous ones.  I couldn't believe there would be that much difference between the CFX & VLZ but it was alot!

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I think I'll just pull the Behringer and put the VLZ back in, and remount the outboard effects. What a pain in the crack!

k

I have a yamaha mg16 channel with fx and i love it is has all the stuff built in bought in on ebay for 300.00 or so cant rember excat price but close to that

Are the new Yamahas "rackable" ?   or even the Peaveys for that matter
They don't mention it or look like they can be ????

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=630142

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ ... sku=631369

The Yamaha are only rackable in the sense that you can put a shelf or straps in your typical slanted rack and put them there.

Apparently the new models aren't, they just keep cutting corners these days. If you can find one of the previous generation, the MG12/4FX in your case, they actually have the rack mounting ears built in already, just remove a couple of screws and turn a couple of panels around. Very well made compact mixer.

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