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 Post subject: How to get lyrics?
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:21 pm 
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Ok, so sometimes I will burn the mp3 from a mp3&g so I can listen and practice (memorize) the lyrics to a particular song I am working on while playing on a regular cd player (perhaps while I am driving :yes: ) and as we all know the original lyrics and the karaoke lyrics are more often than not a tad different.
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Is there a way to pull the lyrics from a cdg file as a text file?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:47 pm 
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I get all my lyrics by doing a search on Yahoo or Goggle. There are tons of lyric websites out there for nearly any song ever recorded. I copy the lyrics into a WP program and reformat the text as far as font and size and line spacing. Then I listen to the original recording and edit the lyrics to match the original or whatever version I have on Karaoke disk that I'm using. That's how I do it.

I printed a lot of them and put them in page protectors in a binder. For some reason, it's more acceptable to read lyrics off a music stand than off of a TV or a computer screen. If you read the lyrics off of a piece of paper on a music stand you're considered a professional musician. If you read the lyrics off a screen they say "oh, that's just Karaoke, you're just singing Karaoke, you're just a Karaoke singer". Total BS!
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:37 am 
I wondering if Alcohol 120 would help?  I can't get to my tech stuff right now, but I vaguely remember something about it having that capability based upon a converation I had with someone at the company.


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stogie @ Tue May 20, 2008 9:47 pm wrote:
I get all my lyrics by doing a search on Yahoo or Goggle. There are tons of lyric websites out there for nearly any song ever recorded. I copy the lyrics into a WP program and reformat the text as far as font and size and line spacing. Then I listen to the original recording and edit the lyrics to match the original or whatever version I have on Karaoke disk that I'm using. That's how I do it.


Thanks Stogie, yes that is how I am doing it now, just a momentary thought that there might be a way to save a couple of steps, oh well I'll just continue to do it that way.

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It is a bit time consuming, but I feel like it's necessary and worth it. Over time you can do hundreds of songs if you do a few at a time. I probably have close to a hundred, but only about half of them printed. I try to format the songs so they fit on one page if possible or on two pages if it's a long song. I set the font to Helvetica usually and the largest font that will fit on the page without going to a second page. Funny though, I haven't really used them yet. I'm still reading lyrics off a screen.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:42 am 
while i have many reasons to use lyrics from the internet i must advise you to BEWARE - Any particular site could be wrong

In fact, there are times when I just have to have the correct words.  In such an instance, I am forced to compare several sites.  And, sometimes, I've found several sites with the same mistake.


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Same goes for karaoke disks.  Many of them have words wrong.


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:wave: [font=verdana] I’m not sure if RLC was asking how to get correct lyrics, or how to edit the lyrics on the karaoke files, but if anyone knows of a program that will allow you to correct the lyrics shown on the screen, please inform me.
 
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My understanding is that a CDG file cannot be editted.  You'd need to recreate it using something such as Dart Studio.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:08 am 
Karaoke Builder Studio will allow you to make your own files.  I was interested in editing existing files and was informed it will not work in that regard; you have to start from scratch!


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This is because a .cdg does not store text as text.  What you see on-screen are time-synched graphics, nothing more!


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:55 am 
my guess is that while it doesn't exist currently, someone could create a program that could "freeze" the graphics so that the words could be edited.    

furthermore, i suspect that Powerpoint is often the program behind the graphics we see.  

does anyone know how the graphics are originated and converted into a CDG file?


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ericlater @ Thu May 22, 2008 8:55 am wrote:
my guess is that while it doesn't exist currently, someone could create a program that could "freeze" the graphics so that the words could be edited.    

furthermore, i suspect that Powerpoint is often the program behind the graphics we see.  

does anyone know how the graphics are originated and converted into a CDG file?


What makes you suspect powerpoint?

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Powerpoint?  A proprietary file format from Microsoft used in CDG?  I very much doubt it!


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ericlater @ Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 am wrote:
while i have many reasons to use lyrics from the internet i must advise you to BEWARE - Any particular site could be wrong

In fact, there are times when I just have to have the correct words.  In such an instance, I am forced to compare several sites.  And, sometimes, I've found several sites with the same mistake.


Yes, you are cercainly correct.I have found the same and done the same.

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Same goes for karaoke disks.  Many of them have words wrong.


Boy, don't we all know that is true! Have A SC song that the words were way wrong on.

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I’m not sure if RLC was asking how to get correct lyrics, or how to edit the lyrics on the karaoke files, but if anyone knows of a program that will allow you to correct the lyrics shown on the screen, please inform me.


No, just was looking for a way to get the karaoke disc lyrics right from the cdg file to a text file.

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Yep, an easy to use CDG editor would be a trick to make as would be a CDG to text ripper.  It could be done certainly but would a large enough number of people want it to make development profitable?  I would tend to doubt it.  The concept is very like ripping text from pdf which is now common but a pdf ripper library used to cost thousands of dollars.

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Exporting the lyrics from the graphics CDG format would involve OCR functionality (Optical Character Recognition).
This is a type of software that - both in complexity and size - falls outside the bounds of a CDG Editor.

Truly would be a Trick!

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Well, let's see now (just typing out loud).  If it didn't have to be too user friendly and assuming that the disk manu's always use the same font, we would be talking in the neighborhood of 80 patterns counting upper and lower case, numbers and common punctuation.  The upper and lower limits of the text line being displayed is know from the CDG file.... could be done.  Anybody want to take it on???

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Being the disc manufactures Don't Use The Same Font...
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