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[quote="moony @ Mon May 26, 2008 4:08 pm"][font=Comic Sans MS][size=12][color=white]Well Perry, if you just found it out, then you're late, lol...Nor the comments nor the ranks mean something on this site. To have many comments means not that you are good, but it means that you spend nearly 24/7 of your time on here, making thousands of them yourself. But I'm sure they think that...

You wanna have more comments? That's easy...become part of the family, tell all your secrets and  in public, love them all, spend your money in making calls, chat all day long (I wonder if you would do the same in real life...usually we are very selective and don't like everybody, that's why we only have a few really good friends and not millions) and you'll be the King off SS. But do YOU really want it??? I doubt! ;)

Better be happy with your 4 listens...they were sincere...

(Guess, my next song will probably have just one comment, because of what I've said, lol...my daddy always said to shut up, but I never could...d a m n!)[/color][/size][/font][/quote]


Very Well Said!!  The truth could not be made ANY clearer.

Scott

Hi Perry..I think you are a real good singer, but especially when you do alternative songs from the 90s.....well thatz me 2 centz..take care......russ

I feel your pain man, I lost my job of ten years about six months ago, now I have to work twice as many hours to make the same amount of money...Life can be cruel, no doubts there.......I can understand the frustration, but it's no big secret that SS is more about reciprocation and building friendships than anything....No harm in that at all...If everyone just listened to each other and didn't comment or reply to comments it would kind of defeat the purpose....

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so sorry to hear you too are having probs...looks like 2008 is a year many of us wish never occurred  :hug:

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 Hi Mona. You were more brave than I was in saying that.

I have sometimes felt that certain others always believed that getting mucho comments on their songs makes them the king or queen of SS.
I have a looooooong way to go to ever achieve such stature in any endeavor.

I just wanted to prove that it really means nothing. Not saying that every person on the receiving end of all the comments isn't always a less than great singer, but it just means that one is not the best.

It took alot of nerve for me to start this, but I felt it needed to be said anyway.
Sometimes, I just can't shut up either.
I probably won't always sub under the "L", but right now, my new job has me working up to 14 hours a day just to make the money I was making before, so I'm not sure how much time I'll have to spend here.
I just want everyone to know that I'm okay being just mediocre.....I have a day job.....well nights actually.  :wave:

 Hi Debbie. I know this thing sounded like a cry for pity from the start, just because of a few extra words I said that made it sound that way. But the only way I could prove my point was to sub under the "L", and go from there.
If I would've subbed under "JFF", got 4 comments, then came over here whining about it, then it would've been pretty obvious.

Sure, I've been having some worrisome times lately, but I've always tended to work out my own problems without saddling others with my misery. So this really had nothing to do with anything. I wanted to make a follow-up after I sprouted off in the other thread a while back.
The song that I had up was so-so. It was tough for me to maintain my composure given the storyline of the song. It reminded me of someone special to me....that's what I meant by "I could barely fight back the tears".

Gawwd....I should've worded my intentions differently when I started this thread.

But thanks for stopping in Debbie....I've always appreciated you.

Very Well Said!!  The truth could not be made ANY clearer.

Scott

I am so glad you chimed in here Scott! You are a perfect example of what my intentions were here!

You are an excellent singer, but I've always noticed that comments given to you were not in high numbers like some of the singers here.

Then, there's a guy like me who sounds like a dying dog on alot of stuff getting 20 or more comments on a song? LMMFAO!!

But my point here is, so what? A person shouldn't gauge their ability solely on how many friends tell them how great they are.

Hey Russ. Man, I appreciate the sentiments, but not necessary given the nature of this thread.
I realize now what this whole thing sounds like, but I can't go back to the start and change anything about it.

I guess I was just trying to find out who my 4 friends were?  LMAO

Thanks man. You know I've enjoyed your work here also.

I feel your pain man, I lost my job of ten years about six months ago, now I have to work twice as many hours to make the same amount of money...Life can be cruel, no doubts there.......I can understand the frustration, but it's no big secret that SS is more about reciprocation and building friendships than anything....No harm in that at all...If everyone just listened to each other and didn't comment or reply to comments it would kind of defeat the purpose....

Hey Nathan. I'm sorry to hear your story on that also. Damn....I know this whole thing sounds like I'm whining now. And it's hard to prove now that I was just making a point.
Sure, I realize how things work in SS.....that was exactly my point!
When someone doesn't continue to participate if they were once heavily into the socialization aspect of SS, people get offended I'm supposing.
One thing that's always bothered me is "fluffing". I've been drawn into that many times because I wanted to be friendly with those who were friendly to me.
But then, realizing how foolish it makes me look, and doesn't help anyone at all, I had to stop socializing with certain people? It's tough once you've been drawn in so to speak. I've heard songs in SS before that I just couldn't get the nerve to comment on because it would be obvious "fluff".
But I can say that 98.9% of any comments I've made to anyone here were sincere in my enjoyment. I'm just not so sure how many people were fluffing me before cause I usually think I'm below average on most everything I do.

It's possible that maybe I "think" too much?  :dontknow:

Thanks for chiming in man.

Perry, as far as work woes, I am sure you know you are far from alone and as far as the comments, I know of many people that have been out of the SS loop for  many reasons and when they jump back in, the response to them  even if they sub under J, has been far less than when they were a regular previously. I have had the circumstance of unemployment for about 2 years, so yes I am here on a regular basis as it's also been a main contact of communicating with the outerworld for me, taking part in a subject I take a lifetime interest in, music. I don't respect 'fluffing' nor mudslinging either and yes that's a given that the number of comments one receives doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with their talent. ( I once brought that topic up on another singing site and got ganged up on by a few people)  It's political, just like the real life music business, think of it that way. I've had people remark to me that 'wow you get plenty of comments' and then some that say to me 'you don't get as many comments as I thought you would' so see, it's all relative..Also, some of what you think might be fluffing, isn't, people have different opinions of what sounds good to them, whether you or I disagree with it. I don't listen to everyone every day though there are a few people I am very close with that I make it a point to listen to whenver they sub. These are folks I've met in person or chatted with on the phone. I have been criticized for giving comments of 'substance' because they arren't fluffy enough. Though I don't listen to everyone, when I comment, I want that person to know I really care, and hope they don't just make a general comment just to get one in return.. and yes i have caught a few people that comment without even listening ( the listen # doesn't go up but the comment does) so that tells me something! OL... JUst htought I'd stick my 2 cents in ( that's all I have since we're in a recession)

Is anyone hiring???????

Joyce! The more I think about it, the more I feel that I offended alot of people here with this little experiment. It's one thing to be friendly to others, and another thing to beat around the bush about their singing. I want to be friendly, but I also don't want to tell someone how great they sing when the opposite just might be the truth. That makes me look stupid......like I've never done anything stupid.
One thing's for sure, I don't begrudge anyone who gets alot of comments on their singing......I've gotten alot of comments on my singing!
I know it also has to do with what one person likes and another may not. I've never lied to you about your singing Joyce.
I just want others who may not get many comments to know that it doesn't mean all that much I guess....as to not be offended by it. I know my sarcasm in my opening letter here paints a different picture probably....but why would I be jealous of a woman who gets alot of comments? I won't be singing any gender-benders anytime soon.
Is there something wrong with the site today? No emoticons or anything here. I must run off to work now at 1am Indy time, cause I'm running out of cents too!
I appreciate your level-headedness here Joyce.....I hope you weren't offended by this....even though the implications seem to aim pointless at everyone.

! I see now that we aren't allowed to anonymously enter the Singer's Forum to read the juicy details of anyone's postings?

But people can anonymously read anyone's personal profile?

What's up with that?

And what are these new emoticons that give the middle finger?

Has anyone else noticed this? Or have I been zapped by some pins in a voodoo doll? !![schild=13 fontcolor=C0C0C0 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]take that[/schild]

! I see now that we aren't allowed to anonymously enter the Singer's Forum to read the juicy details of anyone's postings?

But people can anonymously read anyone's personal profile?

What's up with that?

And what are these new emoticons that give the middle finger?

Has anyone else noticed this? Or have I been zapped by some pins in a voodoo doll? !![schild=13 fontcolor=C0C0C0 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]take that[/schild]

Oh ho ho ho!! That is tasteful!!

What is this place coming to? Under new management?

I do like the notice of post editing at the bottom of a post though!!
That should've been there a long time ago!

Oh hi people! Come on over! You just can't sneak in any longer. !!

That is soooo cool!! I myself have never went back and changed anything except spelling errors in a post before, but some here in the past have been known to change or re-arrange words to better suit their situations. .
Now it's like.......BUSTED!! !!

thats nice dear

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Have you begged for honesty in the Showcase ? Open and honest feedback goes against the grain of many in "Karaoke is for fun showcase". Most would just assume be "strung along". Have you assured other members that you CONSISTENTLY can, and will handle candor graciously ? If not, you have unrealistic expectations given the nature of "It's just Karaoke Showcase".. If you wish to be dealt with as a singer, you need to state your needs. That doesn't assure you many listens though.

Audience size never was a reflection of anything more than how many have some reason to listen to another persons material.. It's no reflection on a persons ability in some cases. Unfortunately neither is Rank. One of the things I've always loved about performing is the whole audience performing psychology thing.. Plenty of times I have 0 listeners but knowing I suck, and knowing that sometimes people just aren't in the mood to listen to me, nor do they really have a reason to listen to me enables me to keep chugging along despite audience size, interest and see things as they actually are.. How many listen is one of the few REAL things about The Showcase, and it's actually something I like.. Those that have a reason to listen to others, and have the time and interest listen to others.. I'll never wish to recruit listeners.. When and if the day comes that I am so spectacular that people not only like my song selection, but get something out've listening to me THAT will be a proud day that I've earned a genuine audience.. I don't wish to participate in backscratching sessions, yet in not wishint to participate in them, I am quite happy with my occasional listener or two...and I keep it real..both feet planted on the ground... It;'s what I like about the arts... What we get SHOULD be what we've earned... NOthing more.. If it's politics that gets listeners, I don't want them.. I want people who are interested in listening when they do for honest reasons... Even if a person listeners to one in ten of my subs.. To me, that's a loyal listener.. I have no expectations... I'm cool like that.. IF I need somebodies help at a given time, I twist their arm to teach me something... That aside..The audience should be earned honestly !

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I sub when I feel like it, and if my audience is one stranger that leaves a glitter gif that states, "Remember Breast Cancer Awareness Month", sobeit. Really doesn't phase me. I never expect listeners, if they show up, that's part of the fun... Much depends on song selection, times we sub, who feels they want to stop by, etc.. Nothing more... I have loads of friends that sub songs I can't stand, they are still my friends, I just don't like their choice in songs so I don't listen... I expect the same courtesy in return .. It's about listening because a person GENUINELY WANTS to listen at some given point, nothing more

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Exactly Steven! Why did it take so much for me to suggest the same thing? Maybe I was afraid of offending everyone?
I honestly can say that I feel more embarrassed when I get alot of comments on my singing because sometimes, my songs are just not worthy of such attention.
I do believe that I bring diversity to the scene though. Song choice for listeners has alot to do with the comments thing. Someone might just enjoy a song just because they haven't heard that one in ages, or maybe because it's a new one that hasn't been done by anyone else yet? And not necessarily that it was performed in the similar voice as the original. There are so many variables to this singing and wishing to be heard.
Lately, I just haven't been able to spend time here. I don't know how many people even notice when someone active disappears for a while? According to one reply here on this subject, I'm the farthest thing from anyone's mind. And that's okay with me! I have other pressing issues to attend to. Like making enough money to pay the mortgage....utilities....creditors....food etc... This was just a hobby, not a way of life.
It's just that everytime I try to get involved in a controversial issue about this singing thing, I end up making things worse.
Some things are better left alone by certain people.....especially if I don't have the interpersonal skills to reinforce the validity of my point. There really isn't a right or wrong....people will all see things differently.
I'm too embarrassed now to ever listen and comment to anyone again. So I will continue to sing occasionally under the "L". And when I listen to others, I will pm them with my comments instead of publicly. It'll be better that way I think.

thats nice dear

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

You have no need to feel embarrassed. I think it's important for all of us individually to know where we stand in any craft we undertake (as adults) and level with all interacting with us. For this reason FROM DAY ONE.. I insisted on honesty, because at the very beginning is the best time to get used to it ! Not before our ego inflates (because it CAN easily inflate in such an artform where we rely on others ears to interpret how we truly sound). Also, for this reason, I don't sub in singers showcase. I want it like it is... None of the politically correct bullxit.. Tell me where I suck, tell me what I shouldn't do, and at least if you are honest with me, I can go from there understanding what's what... I can't self teach in this area, it's too friggin hard ! I need honesty, but as long as I admit from day 1.. I am trying to learn to sing, what is there to be embarrassed about ? All are better than me, I compete with none, I respect all others that can sing as singers... I know my place (singing for Terminex to rid homes of roaches)

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I view it this way Perry. My whole life the odds were stacked against me EVER becoming a singer in a pre-Karaoke era of music. As an old middle-aged fart I'm still trying to do something, and I'm learning new stuff.. That's nothing to be embarrassed about.. Sure, I'm embarrassed to call myself a musician having such an incredibly tough time singing and hearing myself but there're physiologically reasons most of us can't hear ourselves objectively so I'm not alone.. I'll go thru the steps like ALL else had to to learn this, and some have an easier time than others.. I might never be a singer but still, I'm not afraid to sing "backup" now !
Folks have helped me because I remained as honest with them as I've been with myself in this area... Nothing to hide, I've even learned to expose myself abd like it

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