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After having spent a few thousand in cd's with songs that were used I am at this point. The venue has to have free WIFI. If I cant download a requested song we dont have for a couple of bucks then I wont get it.

Who are the real sue happy pirates? I guarantee you it aint KJ'S. It is corporate greed.

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I've had alot of communication with PHX, and I've found that he knows a great deal of what's going on. I do tend to disagree that this is going to place the onus on the KJ. The problem with that statement is that the karaoke manufacturer is STILL providing the sync. I will say that it's only a matter of time before the record labels apply the smackdown to this as nothing more than another attempt to get around paying for sync licensing.

Ultimately, I still believe that this whole sync licensing is a sham, but, the record labels and artists have found a loophole in the fact that the lyrics are displayed in a graphical format which makes this an audio/visual presentation rather than strictly an audio reproduction covered under the fair use.

Ultimately I still believe that the record labels are going to see another revenue stream in karaoke and will start releasing karaoke from studio masters. Most of the work on their end is already done, all they need is someone to slap a graphics track over the top of a copy that they drop the lead vocals from. This will put all the labels out of business. The only problem with this is that with the stranglehold that record labels are using on karaoke manufacturers is liable to kill the karaoke market long before the record labels are ready to enter. Unless they're already poised to take over but trying to squish the competition ahead of time so that they don't have to worry about the current pricing schemes.

We know the water has already been tested on this with Motown releasing studio masters through Singing Machine and K-Tel releasing their own small line of original artist recording karaoke.

To sum all this up, I don't think this new technology brainstorm will change anything at all. I think if Stellar and SC are actually pursuing this, they are setting themselves up for yet another round of investigation and litigation of the caliber that took out Music Maestro. The labels themselves are still providing an audio only CD and then providing a graphical lyrics file to marry to the audio with the intent of creating something in the end that is identical to what's currently on the market.

The only thing that might make a difference is the delivery method of the lyric file. And that's only if the record labels agree to this model and don't litigate it as being nothing more than a workaround. If they do that, they'll win.

Bottom line, new format, same as the old, nothing really changes and sync will win in the end.

Both of you are absolutely right. Along with that, even as is, the downloading laws are at best, murky. Plus the fact that unless you get a copy of the license for each track that you download ( not a receipt, a LICENSE) then you are only taking the Mfrs. word that it IS licensed. You may recall that even SC has removed many discs from the market. This is a supposedly "reputable " source, and I bought discs on good faith. Yet these discs were pulled because they weren't properly licensed.

So it seems we have here:

1) A shifting of the burden of responsibility to the Karaoke Host.

2) More work for the Karaoke Host

3) Still murky downloading legality.

And the selling point is WHAT again?

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Hmm now there's a point to be questioned. If you buy a disc with good faith
and then the manf. takes it off the market because they didn't have the
proper license to market it does that mean that you disc is illegal and therefore
illegal to use? How are you supposed to know who and what is legal if even the
manuf. doesn't. I have seen re-releases of discs that change some of the songs
and I guess it is because they didn't get the proper authorization before the first
release and then just re-cut it without the illegal songs and put something they
already had in inventory.

L.W.

Lone Wolf, that is taken care of through any award the Copyrighter wins. The royalties are calculated as part of the award, thereby formally illegal discs legal. They do this as it would be time consuming and expensive to get any issued disc back. That is why the fines given out in Copyright cases are so high.

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Sometimes the proper authorization IS done, but they change their minds after it's released! that's happened a couple times with SC!

Thanks Tim that makes sense.

L.W.

Karaoke.com is already doing this Matt, I saw it on their website this morning. The price is the same as if you buy a hard copy of the disc; it's still in mp3+g format but marked as "Laptop Use".

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Well I just got my first sing it now/pop hits monthly cdg disc. I've played one song so far, all my stuff is in my trailer...so had to check it out on cpu. The quality seemed good. I'm not in love with their colors or the font yet, but maybe I'll grow to love it. My question is if the new mp3 disc come with all this data burned on them already for naming and such, how come they don't include that on the cdg disc files so you can burn it to your hard drive with less issues? Another thing that drives me batty is the fact that the actual cd track order is not available when you order the cd. I have to wait to get the cd before I get the books updated. I can't understand why they don't put numbers next to their tracks.
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