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I agree from a KJ perspective it's very important to have monitors for the audience to read and singalong to.   As a singer its an added benefit to be able to look out  at a big screen or other monitors in the place --- specially if you are working the crowd walking with a wireless  :dancin:

My Saturday gig STOPPED me from using any of the TV's in the bar due to one day either ME or the Friday Night DJ/KJ forgot to turn the channel station back to channel 3 from video1 --and the DUMBASSES couldn't use the TV all DAY long    LMAO  LOL  LOL  LMAO

So how do you get around that now?

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[The other thing is, I don't have to run wires all over, and then take them down when I leave. I do mostly individual shows, so I'm in different places all the time. I hated having to screw around with someone elses stuff, and having problems that couldn't be fixed

We are fortunate in that we are usually within a very short distance of the wall-mounted flat screens. We have connectors of varying types and enough thin cable to run from our singer monitor to the wall mounts. My partner is very good at running cables (too many years of experience) and managing to keep them out of everyone's way.

We set up the same way every week in the same places but if we were to start somewhere that didn't have a wall mounted flat screen I would consider something like the projector.

k

Well you could try explaining that it would improve the quality of your show!  Also maybe you are asking the wrong person?  It might also be helpful to find out why they don't want the TVs touched.  Then ask them , "if I can solve your concerns on that will it then be ok?".

Other than that you could try creatively mounting a smaller flat screen to your kj equipment/booth/table/speaker, etc...  Also keep in mind that the screen doesn't necessarily have to be in the stage area (although that seems best).  It could be off to one side.

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I agree with you Murlynn. Why go through the expense and headache? Alot of the songs I've seen at shows have the wrong words. Why should an audience see that?

Kameragurl


You've opened up an "old" thread in which 1 dozen participants, most of whom are KJ's, posted their opinions. One poster......just one poster.... who is not a KJ disagreed with the twelve who are enthusiastic about having TV's for the audience to view.

Obviously, after all of the reasons I personally listed for having an audience screen, you're unimpressed.

So...what's your point/objective?

Do you think you're going to change our minds?
And if so, to what benefit?

Dennis, where'd you get that thing and how much does it cost? I love that idea. I'm currently doing 5 gigs/week at 4 venues, none of which is set up in such a way that I can use the venues AV without an extraordinary amount of trouble. I'd love to bring my own "audience monitor."

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Not trying to be a jerk, but this is a pretty aggressive response to what seems like a fairly innocuous post. She never said she was unimpressed with your reasons. In fact, you're never mentioned in the post, so to go on the offensive doesn't make sense. Just sayin'...

My personal opinion is that having at least one screen facing the audience is a bonus, but not "essential" as some have mentioned.

I run two shows, and at my most successful one, I don't have a monitor facing the audience, and have never had a single person complain or even mention it. Yeah, I agree they'd probably love it if I did, but first: there are no TVs close to my setup area, and second: I don't necessarily want to invest the money in a second monitor for just one show. The other show has a gigantic TV right next to where I set up, so I patch into that no problem.

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Swirl,

aggresive? perhaps?

but, as I said, I am most curious about the point of renewing a discussion that has sat dormant for so long, was discussed in some detail, and seemed to reveal a strong bias on the part of KJ's for having an audience screen?

fuirthermore.... some of us have invested a great deal to make sure that we can provide such an experience, particularly Dennisgb.

As I basically indicated, I believe a screen for the audience is an imperative and I have no interest in doing a job in a public venue that doesn't offer that possibility.

Personally, I suspect that the attitude one has towards the availability of a screen may reflect upon a kj's attitude as to who is being catered to. Please see my new thread posted today regarding this topic!

Sorry, if i sounded like a jerk

I hate going to a bar with no screen. I also much prefer it if they have n-screen rotation such as Compuhost displays.

When KJin, I always hook-up to whatever screen is available - the bigger/more the better.

I am looking to integrate a 15" into my lighting rig for a "just in case" situation.

From experience, I can say that for me - people get a LOT more involved when there are screens.

I'm such a space case that if something pops into my head, I'm quite likely to post a new thread without first searching the archives. Could be that's what happened, and I bet it is.

I jumped in earlier to ask Dennis where one can get a rear projector monitor such as the one in his pic and what the cost of such a thing is, but didn't chime in on the question. I prefer to make the lyrics visible to the non-singers, but haven't been able to since I restarted in this area. My competitors do in most cases. That notwithstanding, my shows continue to grow and the patrons seem happy. In summary, I believe that it is preferable, but certainly not essential.

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To me this is a no brainer ! Of course it's better for the audience to see the lyrics. You as a host are trying to entertain the entire room !

If it is impossible to have an audience monitor that's understandable. But to have a tv right next to you and not utilize it is silly.

I have a big screen tv above the stage, right over our heads which is wonderful ! It is usually only used for karaoke, but occasionally the owner will connect the cable tv to it for big games ect...

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Seems to me that the more people who can see the screen and hear the music, the more they seem to, even subconsciously, get involved in the show.

k

Which is all fine and well, but just because the consensus agrees, doesn't make it right. Don't misunderstand me, though: I agree that a screen for the audience is preferable (though not essential for a good time). But that's an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. Kameragurl posted hers, same as everyone else, which I felt went right in line with the way everyone else posted their thoughts. I know it's a message board and tone isn't easily conveyed, but the response just came across a bit heavy-handed to me.

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Well, Babs thinks the answer is a "no brainer"

Kameragurl was concerned about the expense and headache involved with such a setup and the occassional wrong words.

Very little about the karaoke environment is perfect or inexpensive.

I'll simply ask, what's the benefit to not having a screen for the audience?
So...I'm still confused

My vote is the more monitors for the audience the better. Folks want to watch the words and sing along. If I had my way I would have karaoke on every monitor in the place except maybe a Keno or Sports TV.

I believe you reach way more people if you can involve them in singing, watching, or mouthing the words. Karaoke is about entertainment for the singer as well as the entire audience. If you don't reach the audience your show is missing the mark.

Sometimes it's the venue that won't allow multiple TV hookups and you have to improvise and people will adjust to not having one....But they won't have a quality experience like they would otherwise.

The successful 7 night a week venues here make sure that there are plenty of LCD monitors that can be viewed from just about every vantage point in the room. They know how important it is to keep folks in their seats and entertained.

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I have no brain, so it makes it an easier decission.

What I mean by that is if you are able to include others in what the singer is doing it enhances the entertainment.

Would I rather watch and listen to a baseball game on tv or just listen to it on the radio.

It isn't a must, but it makes it more enjoyable for everyone to see and listen. I enjoy singing along to songs when someone is singing. If people don't know the words they can't do this. I much rather see people in the audience getting into the song I'm singing and sing along then reacting to me like a jukebox.

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I guess I'm confused by the uncertainty that it would be an added benefit to have an audience monitor.

I understand if it isn't feasible. It isn't a deal breaker if you don't have one. If you can't afford to have one or there isn't room for one that's fine, but to not use one when you can, baffles me.

Is there someone who thinks it isn't an added benefit?

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Most of the wrong words are typically because of inferior quality discs.
Not really any expense except to run a cable from your booth to one of the bar tv's. I doubt if I could run a show without turning over the audience screens. I hook into the bars 60" near the stage & another 19" over on the other side of the bar. Sometimes I forget to switch the 19" & get yelled at by the audience .

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Actually, Lonman, SC seems to have many songs with incorrect lyrics (although many other manus are worse). But I would NEVER do a show without a screen for the audience. I'll make it happen whatever the expense. I've never had a venue that prohibited it. If they did, I wouldn't do a show there.

I do dislike the "giant screen behind the singer", though. For some reason, it seems to make people focus only on the screen, not the singer. I prefer a big screen off to the side, or somewhere else in the bar. At one venue I did, there wasn't any big screen, so I hooked up three of the smaller TVs so people could see wherever they were in the bar.